A Letter to My Son...a must read

[Familia323]

allright I see your point.. But there has to be a better way than to blow up an entire country.. dont you think? Why not assassinate or something? I dont really know, but why blow up an entire city?

 

[Familia323]

but either way, I just like to argue. Whether I'm right or wrong.

 

[saided18]

i see your point to. but see that is what they are tring to avoid.

first off it is near impossible to kill Saddam. he is hard to track down.

next thing is that it i not only Saddam but his whole government that has to be removed. like his cusion Chemical Ali that order the chemical weaponds to be used to destory an uprising by the kurds.

also the USA is trying not to blow up Iraq. they are trying to get the population to uprise and revolt.

anyway what do you think would happen if the Iraqi people staged an revolt? it would be bloody and would destroy alot of Iraq.

also lets not foget that the US has been trying to get rid of Saddam for over a decade.

 

[Familia323]

right... you said that the US is trying to get the Iraqis to uprise right...... but what happened last time when we tried to get them to uprise? ( I think when the last Bush was in the Seat).. We finally got them to uprise and we backed out and left them to be slaughtered? what the hell is that all about?? and yes I know that the US has been trying to get rid of Sadaam for a long time....

 

[saided18]

yes you are right about what happened when the father was in power. And that was due to the "cease fire" we signed with Saddam. the whole world told us them to leave him alone and his people will get rid of him. well they didn't.

but the uprising happen after we signed the cease fire with Saddam and the decision was made not to interfear b/c of the cease fire. That was the wrond decision and we are paying the price right now for it. but what i see for the Little Bush is a determination to get rid of this guy and he WILL see it threw to the end and will not let any one derail his efforts to topple Saddam as they did to his farther.

 

[Familia323]

anyway... we both agree that sadaam sucks.. so Im done with this thread... thanks for your opinions.....

 

[BlackMSP]

go green party!!

 

[DooMer_MP3]

quite a good story. Its funny to see that kid getting hit in the face with a ball after such a patriotic sotry, lol.

here is another viewpoint my roomates professor e-mailed to the class:

To my students: "I told you so."

...

Your professor seems pretty darned smart there. You can bet I'll save his latest predictions on my hard drive and wait about 20 years and see how many of them come true. I agree with most of what he said whole heartedly. Thanks for the flip side. I found the child-story a little too sugar-coated to be of any real value to me.

The daddy should've also told his child how his mommy went off and had an affair with the neighbor. Only his mommy didn't have sex, she shook hands with the neighbor and assured the neighbor that they'd support them against their enemy neighbor. When the kid responds with "But daddy, why did mommy do that?" he can just say "Because we didn't like the other neighbor".

Chris

 

[sleeper_]

Re: Middle

There is no black or white in the real world just shades of grey.
The world is and (with continued diligence on the part of America and it forces) always shall be jealous of our freedom, our power and our wealth.

um, so you're saying wealth is ok at another's expense? US only invaded b/c it's now convenient to do so while turning a blind eye to human rights before. How is it good to constantly meddle in other people's business? and then insist on meddling on grounds that you're there for the greater good, when ULTIMATELY the reasons are really selfish (ie. human rights aren't really on the radar of foreign policy) Consequently, how can US uphold this as a virtuous action to the world and expect support? *laff*

 

[sleeper_]

or are we all too busy watching reality TV? opps I mean CNN.

yeah, reality tv in its entirety (degree of staging)

 

[sleeper_]

Without war we'd all be speaking German...especially the French...

wow, talk about missing the point.
ie. this war is about fighting terrorism and the immanent "threat" of saddam and his "superfluous" WMD and his "ties" with al-qaeda and about protecting human rights.. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight..... <-- hopefully you guys can read the sarcasm in this.

 

[sleeper_]

I mean come on... there is a fine line between clarification and propaganda.... Also, if we keep going on these escapades of "liberation" without the consent of other countries then the world is going to hate American's even more than they already do. I think it is about time that the American people realize that just because other countries don't embrace our forms of government or religious beliefs, doesn't make them inferior to us. Im tired of the self-righteous attitude that many Americans take towards the rest of the world.

thanks for your self-criticism and sense of right and reason.
this is the msg i try to get across in other threads, but coming from a canadian simply incites flaming.

 

[Familia323]

heres a thought.... let's stay out of everyone elses business... that way we dont look like an arrogant super-power, but then at the same time have a form of population control... and Im just kidding for those of you who couldn't tell..

 

[Familia323]

thanks for your self-criticism and sense of right and reason.
this is the msg i try to get across in other threads, but coming from a canadian simply incites flaming.

wait I might be misunderstanding but are you saying that IM canadian????

 

[Familia323]

k I get it now... sorry Im a little slow at times..

 

[sleeper_]

to the person that said war never brings peace? i don't know about you but it brought peace to Europe that has lasted about 50 years.

Where were all the protests and anti-war rallies when President Clinton went to war in Kosovo? What was the reason he gave? to liberate the people of Kosovo. And every one went long with it. No one was protesting. every one went long with the President at that time. But now b/c Pres Bush is doing the "Liberating of people" he is a prowar coward! sounds funny to me.

what kind of false logic is this? LOL um there WAS peace before war, but unfortunately when you are being beaten upon, i would hope anyone else would fight back. that's the point, fighting BACK someone (read humanitarian). and now this war with iraq.. hrm.. talk about false pretense of liberation now that it's CONVENIENT for the US to liberate them and not before. humanitarian too.. riiiiiiiight *laugh* "All you anti-war people are a bunch of uninformed people or your a Democrate and sometimes both." <-- quoting saided18

It's funny how all the people in the USA protesting are

ALL Liberals!!!

and any well informed person that knew about the last 60 years of world history would not be agianst this war.

see, i disdain any form of preclassification such as this.. which simply means that they think being Liberal dictates your actions which is entirely untrue. Rather it is the other way around, it is what you believe that happens to make you Liberal. But furthermore, being "liberal" doesn't restrict yourself from being "conservative".. jeez.. talk about distilling the matter into something meaningless.

just look at the evidence as you are so "informed... about the last 60 years of world history" it's all there for your consumption, but pick and choose won't do. get the WHOLE picture, please.

 

[sleeper_]

We have waited 12 years for Saddam to dissarm and it hasn't.

was the US really "waiting"? hahaha that's what the adminstration says NOW about the past 12 yrs. Really, was the intensity of inspections the SAME the past 12 yrs? People in the US administration has planned this war since the end of desert storm.

"waiting" is just part of the propaganda picture. Being "informed" with bias can hardly considered "informed", more like victim of propaganda.

 

[sleeper_]

yes you are right about what happened when the father was in power. And that was due to the "cease fire" we signed with Saddam. the whole world told us them to leave him alone and his people will get rid of him. well they didn't.

um, excuse me? iraq violated the cease fire agreement by mobilizing his military to crush the uprising. again, see the whole picture.


also, when you say the professor is a liberal and therefore deny him any credibility.. ok.. so HOW is it that he was able to predict the events in the first place? does not give to REASON that there is a lot of accuracy to his observations?

same goes with science experiment, you make a hypothesis and it correctly predicts the outcome of the experiement then that hypothesis then becomes theory and theory becomes fact.

 

[sleeper_]

k I get it now... sorry Im a little slow at times..

haha, hey man, no worries, at least you have sense of reason and can see with unclouded eyes. i commend you on that.

 

[saided18]

ok i am sorry about grouping all Liberals into one big anit-bush group. but it still remains the fatc that most Demercats do hate bush and are anti-war b/c they are anit bush.


Hmm lets see Tom Dashle. back in 1999 he thought i was a good idea to BOMB the living s*** out of Saddam b/c he was a threat to the world.

And to let every one know WHY President Clinton Bomeb Iraq was b/c..... he was tricking the Inspector and hiding things from them and accusing them of beening part of the CIA. he then kicked out the UNSUM inspectors and told the UN that he was not going to abide by any of the past UN resolutions that had been passed.

So if he thought it was a "good" idea to bomb Iraq in 1999 why doesn't he think it is a "good" idea to do so now?? maybe be it's b/c Bush is President?

Please tell me? i would like to know

Also I aslo was wondering where were all these protesters when President Clinton was bombing Serbia in 2000? What did Serbia ever do to the USA?? I can't think of a good damn thing?

Why was it such a good idea to go to war aginast a country (Serbia) that has done and will NEVER do anything agianst the USA but it is SOOOOO wrong to go to war aginast a country that given a chance WILL attack the US. And if you think that given a chance that Saddam wouldn't attack the USA then you sir are crazy.

and oh yeah i just want to know, what do you know about living ina country with no rights? Living in a country where you were discriminated agianst b/c you are a certain nationality.

Well i have and it SUCKS that is why i came to USA and i'm a proud to say i live here. So i know how the Iraqi people feel and i can tell you they are happy to see the USA and GB.

When you live in a country like i did. then you can some talk to me. Untill then you should think carefully about what you say b/c you have not experience the horror of living under a Murrder control.

oh yeah please feel free to any my questions above.