225hp n/a p5

[2words]

its very possible to get 225hp, do all that stuff you plan on and a 75 shot of nitrous express. and presto u have a beast

 

[Equinox]

its very possible to get 225hp, do all that stuff you plan on and a 75 shot of nitrous express. and presto u have a beast

75 shot of nitrous is a big presto. Make sure it's a wet shot.


Or just build your engine to an N/A beast, then supercharge it at low boost. YUM YUM, constant nitrous shot. Pretty much. Wagner would be more than willing to supercharge a protege. He already has picture of how he wants to set it up, on his site. He just needs someone to pay for the parts and his time.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

I'll stick to my ZEX dry kit...very safe, and a very substantial gain in power.

 

[PR5Matt]

If your are talking wheel HP then you are going to need more compression, and much larger cams, plus a custom intake manifold. (I am from the fOCUS world where we have been f**king with this stuff for a while) Now 200 flywheel HP (about 165-170 whp) might be possible with those parts, but custom cams still might be needed.

(laugh)

 

[Equinox]

I'll stick to my ZEX dry kit...very safe, and a very substantial gain in power.

I'm saying once you have built your engine n/a it's going to be advanced in timing and have high compression, thus, you will need a wet kit FOR SURE

 

[Kooldino]

<~~~also shooting for 170whp....that should be almost 190fwhp. I plan on using the Perfworks AEM ECU, Wagner EL header, DP, MP, MSP axelback, custom ground cams by Perf.

I think I'm right on target. I'm also looking at about $2500 for everything. should be fun to see. I guess a clutch would be a good idea also!

If you could get 190fwhp N/A for $2500, then people wouldn't spend twice that to get the power from a turbo. I really don't think you'll get 170whp for $2500 N/A either.

 

[PR5Matt]

well with
2.5" mandrel bent exhaust all the way back NO CATS
Straight through muffler
Catless AWR Header
Fidanza 5.9 lb flywheel
Clutchmaster Stage I Clutch
Injen Cold Air Intake

I managed 150hp, 118whp, from a stock 98whp

The biggest gain was the 11 whp from the header alone

Then to get 20 more whp I suggest
Port match the heads to the gaskets
Polish the heads
Ground out the Valves to 1.5mm over
Replace valves with stainless steel manleys

That's 170hp, 138whp

Another 10whp
Add MP3 ECU
Port match the Intake manifold to gasket, remove and weld up VTCS holes, keep VTCS solenoid plugged in, but not controlling anything (no CEL)
Polish Intake Manifold
Add NGK Extended Reach V shaped Spark Plugs, range 7

That's 180hp, 148whp

Another 5 whp
Add JDM FD-ZE Intake camshaft
Add Mazdaspeed Exhaust camshaft

That's 185hp, 153whp

Another 5 hp + more midrange
Add Tri-point Adjustable camgears, optimize timing
Add AEM Stand Alone from Wagner/PerfWorks, Optimize fuel

That's 190hp, 158whp

Add corksport's high compression pistons - Anyone know the gain on these?

If I think of anything else, I'll edit this post.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10021

Are you using a Mustang Chassis Dyno, or a Dynojet Chassis Dyno?

Also: Take your flywhp and multiply by .15 (for manual trans or .20-.23 for auto), then take that number and subtract form your estimated flywhp to get an estimated whp. For the opposite just add the number to the whp to get flywhp.

i.e. 118whp = 135.7 flywhp

 

[Turbo Matty P]

only time will tell. I'll just have to get everything on the car and do some runs before we start saying "yeah or nay".

 

[Equinox]

I'm taking what the dealership says is at the flywheel, and then taking what the car is measured at the wheels stock. 98 whp, and 130hp flywheel. That is my only usage of drivetrain loss, because that IS the drivetrain loss.

 

[shinzen]

Actually it depends on the car for that particular conversion- we have a bit more loss through the transmission(about 25%)- stock we push 130hp and about 98whp so the equation is more along the lines of (whpX1.25) will give you a fairly accurate indicator with that being said 118X1.25=147.5

 

[PR5Matt]

I'm taking what the dealership says is at the flywheel, and then taking what the car is measured at the wheels stock. 98 whp, and 130hp flywheel. That is my only usage of drivetrain loss, because that IS the drivetrain loss.

Are you sure? Mazda did get into some trouble a while back with over-rated Miatas. Though I will admit that the PR5 does feel like 130hp. Though not quite as strong as my fOCUS with supposedly 130hp (stock 110whp). The PR5 has much lower gears than the fOCUS so that helps equal out stock to stock acceleration.

 

[Equinox]

Are you sure? Mazda did get into some trouble a while back with over-rated Miatas. Though I will admit that the PR5 does feel like 130hp. Though not quite as strong as my fOCUS with supposedly 130hp (stock 110whp). The PR5 has much lower gears than the fOCUS so that helps equal out stock to stock acceleration.

That's a whole different thread. I wasn't stopping to question Mazda's rating.

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

Hey equinox, if you had to rough estimate, how much would it cost to feasibly get to 150WHP. Keep in mind I'm already getting a FS-ZE intake manifold honed and polished and a corksport 60mm throttle body, and a hopefully by spring a perf piggyback..And I already have an MP3 ecu.

 

[PR5Matt]

I wish there was an easy way to swap the new fOCUS/Mazda 3/Mazda 6 Duratec 2.3 (Ford/Cosworth designed) into our PR5s. Just an example of the performance of the 2.3 (remember that for now that the fOCUS only has the Partial Zero Emissions engine [145hp])

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7280

 

[PR5Matt]

That's a whole different thread. I wasn't stopping to question Mazda's rating.

Don't feel bad, fOCUSes range from 100whp-115whp stock, because Ford did not see fit to put a pin or keyway on the cam gears so they are all in different positions from the factory.

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

Apparently, SVT focus motors fit in our cars. Someone the boards was ranting about how he's done a bunch of research on it or something. It would be interesting to see.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

my 3.0L SHO motor will "fit in our cars" but not without EXTENSIVE work. I can't imagine the SVT Zetec motor being a bolt-in job...the trannys are different, the computers a re different, everything is different.

 

[stdntDrvr]

i'm gonna drop in the 3-cyl Geo Metro motor in...do you think i can hit my goal with that one?

 

[Turbo Matty P]

sure, just hit it with nitrous!

 

[stdntDrvr]

sweet!