2019 CX-5 Details

[jthj]

2.5L G Turbo - 2019 CX5

Except it's a CUV, not a 'hot hatch'.

Ford is going to be selling a Edge ST instead of Focus ST soon. And a CUV is a puffed up hatch. People want hot ones.

 

[jthj]

I’d also add in Europe there is a diesel ST and GTD (diesel GTI) but those don’t sell quite as well. It’s a shame we always get reduced dumbed down options here in NA as if we all just want exactly the same thing. I’d much rather have the menu of choices European customers get.

 

[Puyapim]

Ford is going to be selling a Edge ST instead of Focus ST soon. And a CUV is a puffed up hatch. People want hot ones.

In a couple of years Ford will be selling neither. You can buy a Mustang or a new Focus Active crossover. Everything else is going away.

 

[Xeler8ing]

The 2.5T is in the CX-9, along with AWD......I imagine Mazda can engineer it to work in the smaller CX-5......I hope.

Yes but how much $$$ are they willing to spend considering the next model is not that far away circa 2020

 

[jthj]

In a couple of years Ford will be selling neither. You can buy a Mustang or a new Focus Active crossover. Everything else is going away.

I think you’re mistaken. They are stopping Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, and Taurus. They announced introduction of the Focus Active which is a crossover. They said they would be focusing on crossovers SUVs and trucks. They did not indicate they would cancel the Edge which is a crossover. Also the announcement of the Edge ST is recent. They didn’t just decide to stop making regular cars this would have been a decision long in the making. Funny enough the finance guy told me this when I bought my GTI like a month ago and I didn’t believe him. That dealership also sells Ford.

http://autoweek.com/article/detroit-auto-show/ford-replaces-sport-st-2019-edge-detroit-auto-show

 

[Xeler8ing]

So I went and looked up 0-60 on the diesel and found a uk review with it listed as 8.5 seconds. That’s about the same as the NA 2.5 we get now. I’d expect the 2.5T to be a lot quicker than that. Probably low 7s or high 6s. The only advantage I think the diesel would have if you ignore gas mileage, which you shouldn’t, would be in that it wouldn’t be much slower loaded up with people and stuff.

I think there is absolutely a customer for the diesel. And Mazda should bring it here.

And for the 2.5T there is a customer and they should bring that too.

They just aren’t the same customer.

I’ll offer an analogy. It’s like saying the Golf TDI negates the need for the GTI because the TDI has similar torque. Crazy right?

People forget that the 2.5T is not designed to be performance orientated. As mentioned previously, most of the power and torque delivery in the CX-9 is aimed at every day suburban driving.

That is why reviewers are saying the 2.5T Mazda 6 doesn't feel that fast, more of a build up of surge.

If the 2.5T is dropped into the CX-5, will be the same.

Only way to make it feel/go fast is for the power delivery to be reconfigured which Mazda is not planning to do.

 

[jthj]

You may very well be right about that. I’m after a power delivery like that of the EA888 or BMW twin power 2.0T.

I still think the diesel and the 2.5T will drive very differently.

Mazda CA president said NO pretty flat out when straight pipes asked if they would bring back Mazdaspeed. I’m glad I just went for it with the GTI vs waiting another year or so to see the new 3. I don’t think the X is what I’m after either.

 

[erhayes]

I had a CX7 with a turbo and it was nice to drive and fun. I would love a CX5 or especially new CX8 with a turbo. If I can't get one of those, I'l keep my nice CX5. I've driven a new 2017 and a 2018 and not impressed enough to trade my 2014 CX5 yet. ED

 

[Xeler8ing]

You may very well be right about that. I’m after a power delivery like that of the EA888 or BMW twin power 2.0T.

I still think the diesel and the 2.5T will drive very differently.

Mazda CA president said NO pretty flat out when straight pipes asked if they would bring back Mazdaspeed. I’m glad I just went for it with the GTI vs waiting another year or so to see the new 3. I don’t think the X is what I’m after either.

X isn't designed to be Mazdaspeed/MPS (MPS is what it was known as here in Oz land)

From what I have read, there are no plans for Mazdaspeed/MPS for the foreseeable future

 

[Xeler8ing]

I had a CX7 with a turbo and it was nice to drive and fun. I would love a CX5 or especially new CX8 with a turbo. If I can't get one of those, I'l keep my nice CX5. I've driven a new 2017 and a 2018 and not impressed enough to trade my 2014 CX5 yet. ED

People liked the CX-7's turbo powerplant but hated it's fuel consumption.

Atleast the 2.5T is reasonably economical.

CX-8 is twin turbo diesel. Won't come with 2.5T as the CX-8 was primarily designed for Japan where the CX-9 is not sold due to tax regulations.

 

[Unobtanium]

CX-5 brakes are weak, something I noticed straight away moving from a T31 Xtrail, which also had ventilated front and rear discs. And not on the same planet as my 1999 Audi.
Suspension isn't really up to taking the cornering speeds that 250hp can give, my car leans and is nowhere near a normal type car that is lower to start with.

I didn't mention the transmission?

Sport or high powered cars are usually lowered for obvious reasons, along with stiffer suspension.

The cx5 is fine. Look at the Mercedes CLA43AMG. The Rav4 V6 from 2012. The SRT8 Jeep. The X1. The X5M. I can keep going regarding right height. The cx5 on 225 rubber pulls low .8Xs. If you were to put some good 245 series rubber on it, it would pull amazing numbers I bet. Maybe stiffen the swaybars. That's it. Its suspension is plenty segment competitive for 250bhp cuvs. As to body roll...drive a miata. Mazda embraces the wallow,lol

The brakes "felt weak"...describe that for me more precisely?

 

[Unobtanium]

The brakes are fine. I do notice they dont initially grab as much as some other cars Ive driven. Just press harder on the pedal. The abs kicks in if you stomp and at this point the limit on how fast you stop is tires. The advantage of larger brakes with more ventilation would be to resist fade with repeated hard braking. I dont think putting the 2.5T in there means they must upgrade. However I do agree with you that the brake feel could stand some improvement.

That's due to the low dust pads. Slap some metallics on there and it will be a different animal. My 370z was the same. It's a Japanese thing. Check out the germans for opposite.

 

[xtrailman]

So I went and looked up 0-60 on the diesel and found a uk review with it listed as 8.5 seconds. Thats about the same as the NA 2.5 we get now. Id expect the 2.5T to be a lot quicker than that. Probably low 7s or high 6s. The only advantage I think the diesel would have if you ignore gas mileage, which you shouldnt, would be in that it wouldnt be much slower loaded up with people and stuff.

I think there is absolutely a customer for the diesel. And Mazda should bring it here.

And for the 2.5T there is a customer and they should bring that too.

They just arent the same customer.

Ill offer an analogy. Its like saying the Golf TDI negates the need for the GTI because the TDI has similar torque. Crazy right?

Mazda say the diesel is 0-62mph in 9.5 secs, so not fast from a start, diesel is great once on the move, and will rev easily to the red line. I tow so either engine is desirable. The petrol because it has more power and no DPF, the diesel because it can give a little more MPG.

 

[xtrailman]

I’d also add in Europe there is a diesel ST and GTD (diesel GTI) but those don’t sell quite as well. It’s a shame we always get reduced dumbed down options here in NA as if we all just want exactly the same thing. I’d much rather have the menu of choices European customers get.

UK part of Europe? only gets the SE or Sport.

 

[xtrailman]

The cx5 is fine. Look at the Mercedes CLA43AMG. The Rav4 V6 from 2012. The SRT8 Jeep. The X1. The X5M. I can keep going regarding right height. The cx5 on 225 rubber pulls low .8Xs. If you were to put some good 245 series rubber on it, it would pull amazing numbers I bet. Maybe stiffen the swaybars. That's it. Its suspension is plenty segment competitive for 250bhp cuvs. As to body roll...drive a miata. Mazda embraces the wallow,lol

The brakes "felt weak"...describe that for me more precisely?

The Cx-5 has a longer stopping distance, weak.

 

[xtrailman]

https://www.caranddriver.com/review...ving-impressions-review-car-and-driver-page-4

 

[Unobtanium]

The Cx-5 has a longer stopping distance, weak.

Yeah, but is this due to tires or brakes? The brakes over repeated 70 to 0 stops seem to show NO fade, per the test sheet you can observe here...

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-mazda-cx-5-awd-instrumented-test-review

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

Mazda say the diesel is 0-62mph in 9.5 secs, so not fast from a start, diesel is great once on the move, and will rev easily to the red line. I tow so either engine is desirable. The petrol because it has more power and no DPF, the diesel because it can give a little more MPG.

$500 tune and better rubber will lower that a lot. a guy here was getting 6 sec 0-60 from his tuned diesel. stock engine with an intake if I recall.. cx-9 wheels which are still 7.5" wide.

 

[Xeler8ing]

Mazda say the diesel is 0-62mph in 9.5 secs, so not fast from a start, diesel is great once on the move, and will rev easily to the red line. I tow so either engine is desirable. The petrol because it has more power and no DPF, the diesel because it can give a little more MPG.

It's been tested here at 8.7 seconds from memory

 

[jthj]

UK part of Europe? only gets the SE or Sport.

No, you guys voted out remember.

I hope you don’t take this too seriously.

SE and Sport of what? Here in the US sport is base then we get touring and grand touring for the CX-5. Or were you talking about VW. I think they have an SE trim. Mine is Autobahn.