2005 Pontiac GTO

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American muscle cars are back in style, but while the Ford Mustang GT is hot, Pontiac's reborn GTO has been a showroom dud, mostly because of its slick but rather bland styling. But take the GTO to the racetrack, and you quickly learn that you can't judge a book by its cover. The GTO is an awesome performer, made even more so for 2005 with a bigger, badder V8, and yes, a dose or two of visual flair.

New cosmetic touches for the 2005 Pontiac GTO may not be enough to change its milk-toast image, but we do think the changes are right in line with the mission of this piece of American muscle. There's something to be said for a little subtlety in this world of megaphone exhaust tips and wild wings, as a car made for performance-minded adults shouldn't have to scream ''Bad to the Bone!'' from every angle. For 2005, GM designers have added a more aggressive twin-scoop hood to the GTO's option list, and polished outlets for the new split dual exhaust poke out from a revised rear fascia. Unchanged are the GTO's smooth body lines, inherited from the Australian-built Holden Monaro on which our car is based.

The GTO rides on 17-inch aluminum wheels wearing 245/45 Z-rated Goodrich touring tires. They may be a bit small by the latest performance car standards, but what they lack in grip, they make up for in four-wheel drifting fun. Brake rotors are larger for 2005: 11.7 inches up front and 11.3 out back, and now sport red-painted calipers. The stance is low and muscular, not bulging at the seams like a weightlifter, but rather a powerful track runner in street clothes. You can sense the power is there, it's just not on display for everyone to see.

But you need only to open the hood or crack the throttle to discover this GTO's secret. Gone is last year's 5.7-liter small block. In its stead is the new 6.0 liter LS2 V-8 engine that powers the C6 Corvette. Horsepower bumps up 50 to an even 400 at a low 5,200 rpm, with 395 pound-feet of torque at 4,000. That's useable power, made more so in our car by a long-throw Tremec 6-speed manual gearbox, which we worked hard at our winter testing venue of Savannah's Roebling Road Raceway. Our test car ran from 0 to 60 in a swift 5.1 seconds, and covered the full quarter mile in 13.5 seconds at 108 miles per hour. While only a few tenths improvement over last year, the LS2 V8 feels much more willing. The clutch and shifter work in unison flawlessly. A four-speed auto trans is available if you must.

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Cornering is by way of a fully independent suspension, with rear semi-trailing arms, power rack and pinion steering, and electronic driving aids ABS and traction control. Pushed to the limits around Roebling's eight high-speed turns, the LS2 V-8's great power is put to good use. As in our earlier test, we found the GTO to be well balanced and very predictable, with only modest amounts of push. The steering is a little on the slow side, but exhibits good weight and decent feel. The larger brakes also go a long way in quieting some earlier concerns.

But the GTO is first and foremost a straight-line muscle car, and while it tackles this 2-mile road course gamely, it's just a bit out of its element. Body roll is moderate, and initial understeer can be quickly countered by liberal use of the throttle. However, after a few laps, the GTO's soft springs and 3765-pound curb weight start to take their toll. Our tester's all-season touring tires were not able to keep up the pace. Grip was adequate, but heat and track conditions caused early wear, sending the GTO into the pits for an early retirement from track work.

During the brief periods we weren't focused on using the drilled pedals, we could really appreciate the excellent, well equipped cabin of the new GTO. Large conjoined gauges are clearly visible past the fat steering wheel, and are color-matched to the exterior and interior hues. The uncluttered center stack holds controls for the standard A/C and Blaupunkt in-dash 6-disc CD stereo, and curves into a console with plenty of small item storage. The leather covered, high bolstered seats are coddling, yet supportive. Both driver and passenger get eight-way power. The two fixed rear buckets are 2+2 tight, suitable for adults only in a pinch.

And you won't have to pinch pennies all your life to enter the new GTO generation either. Base price for the 2005 edition is $32,495. That's over $11,000 less than a Corvette, and more than $17,000 less than the Cadillac CTS-V that also uses the LS2 V-8. To GTO critics we say, don't forget that the original was little more than a big motor inside stealth bodywork. Still, the improved 2005 Pontiac GTO is making progress, and with a few more tweaks, it just might turn its awesome performance into impressive sales.

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Wow.. I posted about 2 weeks ago bout my roomate buying the 2004 GTO.. it hauls ass..



mikeyb said:
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American muscle cars are back in style, but while the Ford Mustang GT is hot, Pontiac's reborn GTO has been a showroom dud, mostly because of its slick but rather bland styling. But take the GTO to the racetrack, and you quickly learn that you can't judge a book by its cover. The GTO is an awesome performer, made even more so for 2005 with a bigger, badder V8, and yes, a dose or two of visual flair.

New cosmetic touches for the 2005 Pontiac GTO may not be enough to change its milk-toast image, but we do think the changes are right in line with the mission of this piece of American muscle. There's something to be said for a little subtlety in this world of megaphone exhaust tips and wild wings, as a car made for performance-minded adults shouldn't have to scream ''Bad to the Bone!'' from every angle. For 2005, GM designers have added a more aggressive twin-scoop hood to the GTO's option list, and polished outlets for the new split dual exhaust poke out from a revised rear fascia. Unchanged are the GTO's smooth body lines, inherited from the Australian-built Holden Monaro on which our car is based.

The GTO rides on 17-inch aluminum wheels wearing 245/45 Z-rated Goodrich touring tires. They may be a bit small by the latest performance car standards, but what they lack in grip, they make up for in four-wheel drifting fun. Brake rotors are larger for 2005: 11.7 inches up front and 11.3 out back, and now sport red-painted calipers. The stance is low and muscular, not bulging at the seams like a weightlifter, but rather a powerful track runner in street clothes. You can sense the power is there, it's just not on display for everyone to see.

But you need only to open the hood or crack the throttle to discover this GTO's secret. Gone is last year's 5.7-liter small block. In its stead is the new 6.0 liter LS2 V-8 engine that powers the C6 Corvette. Horsepower bumps up 50 to an even 400 at a low 5,200 rpm, with 395 pound-feet of torque at 4,000. That's useable power, made more so in our car by a long-throw Tremec 6-speed manual gearbox, which we worked hard at our winter testing venue of Savannah's Roebling Road Raceway. Our test car ran from 0 to 60 in a swift 5.1 seconds, and covered the full quarter mile in 13.5 seconds at 108 miles per hour. While only a few tenths improvement over last year, the LS2 V8 feels much more willing. The clutch and shifter work in unison flawlessly. A four-speed auto trans is available if you must.

gto2.jpg
Cornering is by way of a fully independent suspension, with rear semi-trailing arms, power rack and pinion steering, and electronic driving aids ABS and traction control. Pushed to the limits around Roebling's eight high-speed turns, the LS2 V-8's great power is put to good use. As in our earlier test, we found the GTO to be well balanced and very predictable, with only modest amounts of push. The steering is a little on the slow side, but exhibits good weight and decent feel. The larger brakes also go a long way in quieting some earlier concerns.

But the GTO is first and foremost a straight-line muscle car, and while it tackles this 2-mile road course gamely, it's just a bit out of its element. Body roll is moderate, and initial understeer can be quickly countered by liberal use of the throttle. However, after a few laps, the GTO's soft springs and 3765-pound curb weight start to take their toll. Our tester's all-season touring tires were not able to keep up the pace. Grip was adequate, but heat and track conditions caused early wear, sending the GTO into the pits for an early retirement from track work.

During the brief periods we weren't focused on using the drilled pedals, we could really appreciate the excellent, well equipped cabin of the new GTO. Large conjoined gauges are clearly visible past the fat steering wheel, and are color-matched to the exterior and interior hues. The uncluttered center stack holds controls for the standard A/C and Blaupunkt in-dash 6-disc CD stereo, and curves into a console with plenty of small item storage. The leather covered, high bolstered seats are coddling, yet supportive. Both driver and passenger get eight-way power. The two fixed rear buckets are 2+2 tight, suitable for adults only in a pinch.

And you won't have to pinch pennies all your life to enter the new GTO generation either. Base price for the 2005 edition is $32,495. That's over $11,000 less than a Corvette, and more than $17,000 less than the Cadillac CTS-V that also uses the LS2 V-8. To GTO critics we say, don't forget that the original was little more than a big motor inside stealth bodywork. Still, the improved 2005 Pontiac GTO is making progress, and with a few more tweaks, it just might turn its awesome performance into impressive sales.

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My uncle has a 04 Impulse Blue GTO with color matched interior. It does haul ass. He just had the 05 Sport Aero package installed on it.
 
Pontiac/GM are still marketing their cars to an audience that is dying--forty plus crowd that dreams of sixties and seventies muscle cars. This car will not succeed. The older
crowd won't buy it and I'm betting the younger crowd won't either. The first signs of
its failure/anachronistic design: it comes standard with an automatic transmission.
You probably have to PAY MORE to get the manual. It's curb weight is also 3725 lbs--typical stupid overweight american hog with too many "standard" features.
I got so excited about this car when I read about it and then--once again--the car
did not live up to its promise. Too much cadillac w/northstar, not enough vtec.

The only evidence contrary to what I'm saying about GM is the cobalt, and it's still not up to par. Let's wait a few years and see if GM puts the dollars behind this to make it a real player. I think the cards are still out on that one.
 
First, f*ck vtec in its stupid over-rated ass. I'll take a LS2 any day.

Second, these things could end up being the performance bargin of the decade. I've found used ones with less that 10K miles for 23 grand. Do the math: 350hp for 23 grand. That's a better dollar to horsepower ratio than anything else I can think of.
 
Dude true Dat....wait boring? Maybe the styling....

Check eBay out and you can get away with a slightly used one of these for real close to 20k. Gas will kill ya though.
 
It used to look like a bar of soap. Now it looks like a bar of soap with hood scoops.

Until it is redesigned (it will have to look retro) it won't sell. Doesn't matter how fast it is.
 
Retro is lame and a fade that will pass. This car is everything the past one was. Exactly how i wanted to see it done and the GTO is my fav old school car.

kurt said:
It used to look like a bar of soap. Now it looks like a bar of soap with hood scoops.

Until it is redesigned (it will have to look retro) it won't sell. Doesn't matter how fast it is.
 
(thumb) My fiance's father would love to have one of those bad boys, myself included
 
Well, you've your got opinions about styling and I've got mine.

As a replacement for the F-Bodies (let's face it, that's all the GTO seems to be) it falls short. The car doesn't seem to be sporty enough to be a 'sports car' like the old F-Bodies, but it doesn't seem to be luxurious enough like a sedan (what the original GTO was) needs to be. New Mustangs are going to make a huge dent in GTO sales and I wouldn't be surprised to see the GTO gone in two more years. Now that Dodge has released their new Charger, the GTO may die even sooner.
 
all the charger will be is a glorified chrysler Hemi C



kurt said:
Well, you've your got opinions about styling and I've got mine.

As a replacement for the F-Bodies (let's face it, that's all the GTO seems to be) it falls short. The car doesn't seem to be sporty enough to be a 'sports car' like the old F-Bodies, but it doesn't seem to be luxurious enough like a sedan (what the original GTO was) needs to be. New Mustangs are going to make a huge dent in GTO sales and I wouldn't be surprised to see the GTO gone in two more years. Now that Dodge has released their new Charger, the GTO may die even sooner.
 
fkmitsu said:
all the charger will be is a glorified chrysler Hemi C

All the original Charger was, was a glorified Dodge Coronet. Likewise, the GTO was basically just an option package on a Tempest.

What's your point?
 
either way... since its looks suck... Like someone said, it will be one of the best bargains out there. The car can perform.. and thats all that matters.
 
Pontiac should be selling the GTO at Mustang GT prices not Infiniti G35c prices.
 
Familia323 said:
what they should really do is just lose about 600lbs of body weight...

My uncles 04 GTO has no problem getting it overweight body moving.
 
word I agree, its fast.. but imagine it 600lbs thinner. They could make it handle better and it would be a tad quicker and more responsive.
 
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