2003 Tiburon GT?
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i wasn't talking about a car engine lol
GSX = hayabusa (GSX1300). I know the 1300 would be the best, but i wana stay realistic and was looking at a GSX1100. If i ever get the chance to buy a real GSX1300 Hayabusa engine, i will.
Turboing that motor is also part of my plans. Nitrous also eventually ..... but this is just a long term project. it might never happen
GSX = hayabusa (GSX1300). I know the 1300 would be the best, but i wana stay realistic and was looking at a GSX1100. If i ever get the chance to buy a real GSX1300 Hayabusa engine, i will.
Turboing that motor is also part of my plans. Nitrous also eventually ..... but this is just a long term project. it might never happen
Slider said:
o.k first off were arguing that book/MSRP values dont matter s*** and what you actually buy a car at matters.
Now you come along saying that what you actually sell a car for doesnt matter and that its some book that tells me what its worth.
Well hey, you go pay blue book values if ya want.
Yeah real mature. I havn't been called a dweeb since the first grade.
P.S Your last sentence, "you come back before you comment" wtf dude? im gonna comment before i return to the forum? i guess i could use my magical dweeb powers!
DemonEyez said:
(jerkit) Go tell a dealer that; "well I know of a person who knows of a person who got this much for the car, so that is what I want to get for it".
The books are a guidline, then they will call the guys who work the local auctions for them and see what they can get for the car, then they will decide what they want to give you.
In the last three years I have bought and traded in four brand new cars, I have recieved a "mint" classification for every one of them by the repesctive dealers, this is because I take care of my cars (seperate point), but anyway, your numbers for the 03 Tib are off, sorry.
By the way, I changed my post to "dweeb" because I changed it from something else and decided it was to harsh.
Let's all clam the **** down, I was the one who said that the V6 sucks and the reason I said it is because my cousin owns an Elantra which is pretty nice and he plans on making it fast. He said that the (beta) 2.0L engine is a lot better than the crappy Delta engine and he knows a lot about ******* hyundais; he is also on www.hyundaiperformance.com he told me some of what he knows. Any way I have respect for the car in Korea, they have gotten the I4 beta engine well over 650hp turboing that b**** and the engine also responds nice to N/A mods as well. Another thing the tib and elantra are the same ******* car basically except one is more a famliy sedan and the other one is a 2dr coupe they both have the same exact engine and the share a very close chassis. I stand by my statement that the Delta engine is gay and your talking about supercharger V6 I want to see proof of a turbo V6 holding better.
And as for handling not be a dick but our cars stock vs. stock will out handle your cars hands down on the twistes and in Auto-x. Another thing the stock power the v6 tib makes is a joke. I like tibs they have certain things I don't like: (Suspension, Interior) but I have seen some sick ones. There is this guy that came around where I live once with a full tuscani conversion and he was making like 350hp it was sick. Anway let's just all relax (drinks)
And as for handling not be a dick but our cars stock vs. stock will out handle your cars hands down on the twistes and in Auto-x. Another thing the stock power the v6 tib makes is a joke. I like tibs they have certain things I don't like: (Suspension, Interior) but I have seen some sick ones. There is this guy that came around where I live once with a full tuscani conversion and he was making like 350hp it was sick. Anway let's just all relax (drinks)
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Slider said:(jerkit) Go tell a dealer that; "well I know of a person who knows of a person who got this much for the car, so that is what I want to get for it".
The books are a guidline, then they will call the guys who work the local auctions for them and see what they can get for the car, then they will decide what they want to give you.
In the last three years I have bought and traded in four brand new cars, I have recieved a "mint" classification for every one of them by the repesctive dealers, this is because I take care of my cars (seperate point), but anyway, your numbers for the 03 Tib are off, sorry.
By the way, I changed my post to "dweeb" because I changed it from something else and decided it was to harsh.
P.S it was the dealer's who payed the prices i mentioned. : ) So i dont need to tell them that a friend of a friend etc got it, cus i'd say, hey you remember *insert name here* you purchased his car the other day.
DemonEyez said:
Cool, In all of my years of buying and selling cars I have never heard of a dealer paying over what the book says. (uhm)
By the way, never said I didn't like Tibs. I have liked them since they came out. (build quality needs to be worked on but that will come in time)
Slider said:
i understand that, but see alot of what people think about the tibs or think they know is wrong. and for the guy with the elantra buddy, im sorry, but having an elantra does not equal knowing everything about a tiburon. I have been a member of newtiburon.com for 2 years. The beta II *2.0L* is a solid block true. but the v6 is also an outstanding engine for F/I. And the v6 responds MUCH better to n/a mods + fi mods than the 2.0L. Cai + Exhaust = 166whp on tiburon where as 142 is stock whp.
CAI + Exhaust on the i4 gives ya like 11whp? 12?
sure the 2.0 can take 14psi on stock and give ya 300whp. but the v6 can do that with 8 on stock internals as well. In fact, a v6 auto, w/ stock internals + stock torque converter just dyno'd at 328.7whp w/ 310ft/lb torque. It was using a roots charger, and you guys think its not efficient, well roots type aren't. But consider the specs on the alpine rate it at 50hp to turn the thing. and a auto loss is between 22 - 26%. So one of you do the math on your own.
equals roughly 450 - 500 at the crank depending on which numbers you used.
I dont think the beta II's can do that.
DemonEyez said:
Dude, I think that is the reason why people think it is a lame v6. It just does not put out a lot of HP for a six you know? Why not have a lighter four cyl. that puts out those numbers in the first place?
The reason the MSP is better than the tib is because it uses a four banger with a turbo stock, from the dealer. If you put a turbo on that Tib. then ZING! there goes your Warranty you know?
Slider said:
O.k. But even with the MSP turbo, your at the same hp as our v6.
here is a few things
Tiburon v6 62hp/liter
Mustang GT 55hp/liter
Trans Am Ws6 55hp/liter
mazda protege 65hp/liter
so how is the Tiburon terribly inneficient?
As i mentioned it responds amazingly to mods + F/I
using american V8s to show that your car has a better hp/liter ratio than them is stupid
compare your car to a Celica GTS or pretty much any good honda engine. im not proud of the 130hp 2.0L mazda engine. Honda can make more HP with a 1.6L
EDIT: nevermind that. compare V6s to V6s
Honda Accord ... 255hp with a 3.0L
Nissan 350z ... 260 (i think) with a 3.0
Acura RL ... 300 with a 3.5
those all average about 85hp / liter. The only one close to your ratio would be the Camry's 225hp 3.0L engine.
it's not inneficient, but it's not great either. just like my 4cyl
compare your car to a Celica GTS or pretty much any good honda engine. im not proud of the 130hp 2.0L mazda engine. Honda can make more HP with a 1.6L
EDIT: nevermind that. compare V6s to V6s
Honda Accord ... 255hp with a 3.0L
Nissan 350z ... 260 (i think) with a 3.0
Acura RL ... 300 with a 3.5
those all average about 85hp / liter. The only one close to your ratio would be the Camry's 225hp 3.0L engine.
it's not inneficient, but it's not great either. just like my 4cyl
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Metal MP5 said:
your right. accord v6 25k.
350 z 30l
acura rl ????
tiburon 16,500
Yeah you can put alot of technology into the engine, but then it really isn't that affordable ya know?
Slider your right both engines the vr6 and the 1.8T act very different. How is that different from the v6 in the tib. It doesnt have v-tec or variable timing etc, but when you do modify it, it respons a hell of alot better than the other cars mentioned above.
Import Tuner spent 1,500 to gain 3 whp in the 350z.
Hell i can gain 9whp with 25$
I was comparing your basic engine efficiencies. Basically non v-tec non timing, not the 333hp 3.2 m3 engine.
And yes, the 1.6 civic does produce 160hp but what 108 torque?
the celica does 180hp but has 115 torque or something?
And please don't tell me that price isn't an arguement. No one buys a car based on one factor alone. No car is judged on one factor alone. Believe it or not but price is the biggest deciding factor in what car people buy.
You say the v6 doesnt produce enough, I say it produces enough for what you want. AKA 16,500$ sure if you wanted to spend 30k, why buy a tib?
If someone told you hey, i'll buy you any car up to 1,000,000$ how many of you would say, the m3 because its engine actually produces a nice amount of power...
Doesn't it register with anyone that to get the vtec civic you pay a ton more. to get the v-tec accord you pay alot more. Hyundai could do the same thing in their v6's and yes have the car cost more.
anarchistchiken
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Metal MP5 said:
Honda Accord ... 240 hp w/ 212 lb/ft
Nissan 350z ... 3.5 L makin 287 hp w/
The 350 gets its name from the 3.5 liter engine
bah now you talk about price but you were comparing your car to a mustang gt and trans am ws6 which im sure cost a bit more than your tib.
anarchistchicken: yes sorry it's a 3.5 its friday and i dont care enough to go look for the exact numbers lol i was just pointing out the fact that instead of comparing to big american v8 which suck at hp/L, he should compared to v6 from asia
and if you guys wana start talking about torque ... let's bring back the mustang gt and ws6. im sure the tq/L factor will be alot higher than your tib's V6 hehe
you guys shouldnt take it too seriously. i bought an econobox and i will have 300 to 400 hp next year or the one after. all that because i liked the MSP's look. If i wanted a huge engine with good hp or tq / L i woulda bought an american V8 or a japanese car with a V6 and maybe turboed it.
anarchistchicken: yes sorry it's a 3.5 its friday and i dont care enough to go look for the exact numbers lol i was just pointing out the fact that instead of comparing to big american v8 which suck at hp/L, he should compared to v6 from asia
and if you guys wana start talking about torque ... let's bring back the mustang gt and ws6. im sure the tq/L factor will be alot higher than your tib's V6 hehe
you guys shouldnt take it too seriously. i bought an econobox and i will have 300 to 400 hp next year or the one after. all that because i liked the MSP's look. If i wanted a huge engine with good hp or tq / L i woulda bought an american V8 or a japanese car with a V6 and maybe turboed it.
anarchistchiken
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Yeah I know. Just commenting.Metal MP5 said:
hello there, I have a few good points to make about the cars being questioned
first the Tib stock is not fast in any way, the best stock times are a 15.1 @92mph bone stock(nothing impressive)
second the Tib's handling is good, not as good as the ITR or MSP, but it does do very well in autocross due to its broad powerband, and as any car the suspension can be improved very easily
third the GK Tib(newest model) does not share much with the Elantra, it is actualy a different platform, the older Tib's were based off the Elantra
In both NA and FI the new V-6 takes to mods better then almost any motor you will find in any NA car, it is by far superior to the old I-4 Beta of the earlier Tib's, myself i went from 140WHP(stock) to now 209whp with only bolt ons and re-grind cams, i trap at 99mph but will do better my next time at the track
the Tiburon that ran a 12.6 is running a very small supercharger at 15psi, but that supercharger is a very small unit and doesn't make the greatest gains per psi, with a Cent supercharger the car sees a 100% increase in HP from only 7-9psi with 9psi yielding 312whp, the same goes for turbos a smaller turbo will not make as much power per PSI as a big turbo, its more related to air volume then psi
the Tiburon that ran 12.6 is a auto, he is running 15psi on a m-62 s/c, he also sprays a 35 dry shot on stock internals.....the owner only ran 2 partial passes and it was his first time ever running at a drag strip ever...the driver pulled a 1.75 60' and at the 1000' mark they had an electrical fire due to a bad nitrous install, a wire grounded out and caught fire, so they shut down at a 1000" and still pulled a 12.6 with only a 104mph trap, if they could have completed the pass it would likely have touched 11's and been somewhere around a 110-112 mph pass....this car is running a stock transmission and stock bottom end, they dont even have a high stall converter...as well they didn't even use the manumatic shift function, the car was put in drive and allowed to shift as it wanted....so consider those facts and then you can evalute the cars performance...thier day was cut short due to the electrical fire and if they had a chance to get some more passes 11 seconds would likely have been reached, as it was they didn't even make a complete pass
the V-6 can handle 380whp on stock internals with a twin turbo setup, the motor is far from weak.......
so say what you will the car can run low 12's high 11's on stock internals without a hickup, we will soon see a fully built boosted Tib hitting the streets and then you can compare the two cars with built internals, but be warnecd the built car is in testing and the dyno numbers are between 550-600whp.....so as a all out platform the Tib holds its own against anything
but stock the motor isn't really that impressive but luckily for us Tib owners the motor takes to mods extremely well and doesn't take long to make serious power.......another issue is our aftermarket is just in its beginning stages and we are just starting to see the cars potential, within the next year there will be quite a few 12 second cars, as the newest boosted kits are just starting to hit the markets
now we have addresseed the performace of the Tib, but what do you guys have to do to your Protege's to make them look as nice as the Tib's ?? as your 4 door Protege's look nowhere near as nice as the Tib and no matter how much cash you spend it will never turn heads like the New Tiburons
first the Tib stock is not fast in any way, the best stock times are a 15.1 @92mph bone stock(nothing impressive)
second the Tib's handling is good, not as good as the ITR or MSP, but it does do very well in autocross due to its broad powerband, and as any car the suspension can be improved very easily
third the GK Tib(newest model) does not share much with the Elantra, it is actualy a different platform, the older Tib's were based off the Elantra
In both NA and FI the new V-6 takes to mods better then almost any motor you will find in any NA car, it is by far superior to the old I-4 Beta of the earlier Tib's, myself i went from 140WHP(stock) to now 209whp with only bolt ons and re-grind cams, i trap at 99mph but will do better my next time at the track
the Tiburon that ran a 12.6 is running a very small supercharger at 15psi, but that supercharger is a very small unit and doesn't make the greatest gains per psi, with a Cent supercharger the car sees a 100% increase in HP from only 7-9psi with 9psi yielding 312whp, the same goes for turbos a smaller turbo will not make as much power per PSI as a big turbo, its more related to air volume then psi
the Tiburon that ran 12.6 is a auto, he is running 15psi on a m-62 s/c, he also sprays a 35 dry shot on stock internals.....the owner only ran 2 partial passes and it was his first time ever running at a drag strip ever...the driver pulled a 1.75 60' and at the 1000' mark they had an electrical fire due to a bad nitrous install, a wire grounded out and caught fire, so they shut down at a 1000" and still pulled a 12.6 with only a 104mph trap, if they could have completed the pass it would likely have touched 11's and been somewhere around a 110-112 mph pass....this car is running a stock transmission and stock bottom end, they dont even have a high stall converter...as well they didn't even use the manumatic shift function, the car was put in drive and allowed to shift as it wanted....so consider those facts and then you can evalute the cars performance...thier day was cut short due to the electrical fire and if they had a chance to get some more passes 11 seconds would likely have been reached, as it was they didn't even make a complete pass
the V-6 can handle 380whp on stock internals with a twin turbo setup, the motor is far from weak.......
so say what you will the car can run low 12's high 11's on stock internals without a hickup, we will soon see a fully built boosted Tib hitting the streets and then you can compare the two cars with built internals, but be warnecd the built car is in testing and the dyno numbers are between 550-600whp.....so as a all out platform the Tib holds its own against anything
but stock the motor isn't really that impressive but luckily for us Tib owners the motor takes to mods extremely well and doesn't take long to make serious power.......another issue is our aftermarket is just in its beginning stages and we are just starting to see the cars potential, within the next year there will be quite a few 12 second cars, as the newest boosted kits are just starting to hit the markets
now we have addresseed the performace of the Tib, but what do you guys have to do to your Protege's to make them look as nice as the Tib's ?? as your 4 door Protege's look nowhere near as nice as the Tib and no matter how much cash you spend it will never turn heads like the New Tiburons
