Ouch. Takes longer to replace engine than to build the whole car in the first place.Correct.
22 hours of labor.
$149/hour labor rate.
$3,278 total labor.
Ouch. Takes longer to replace engine than to build the whole car in the first place.Correct.
22 hours of labor.
$149/hour labor rate.
$3,278 total labor.
Now it takes even longer just to get the replacement engine ⋯Ouch. Takes longer to replace engine than to build the whole car in the first place.
If it's only a matter of time until every 2.5T has to be replaced, I don't know how Mazda absorbs all that cost and producing all those replacement engines. There's going to be severe damage to their bottom line, at a time when capital is needed to compete with a quickly changing auto industry. Plus, those replacement engines will have to be made after Mazda isn't even making them anymore for new models (with the inline 6 coming).
If it's only a matter of time until every 2.5T has to be replaced, I don't know how Mazda absorbs all that cost and producing all those replacement engines. There's going to be severe damage to their bottom line, at a time when capital is needed to compete with a quickly changing auto industry. Plus, those replacement engines will have to be made after Mazda isn't even making them anymore for new models (with the inline 6 coming).
That is a good plan, but I don't think it relates to these coolant leaks. A turbocharger is a gas turbine with a centrifugal air compressor on the same shaft. The hot exhaust gas spins the gas turbine section, the shaft spins the air compressor, and the compressor pumps more air into the engine's induction system so it can burn more fuel with the correct fuel to air ratio. The heat from the hot exhaust gas gets the turbo part so hot that if shut off right after a hot, heavy run the oil can bake to carbon and damage bearings and seals. That's why the short cool-down period with the engine idling works, the circulating oil and coolant carries the excess heat away. I don't tow or carry heavy loads, so the main time I think about a cool down is when pulling directly into a highway rest stop after a high speed run.
Thats the same engine part number as the engine they installed in mine.....late July.New engine gang!
PYZ3-02A-300D is on my parts list:
Mazda has some experience with replacing large numbers of engines. If this becomes a truly widespread issue, I would imagine they will set up a remanufacturing shop and start shipping remanufactured engines to people who experience this failure. They did this before with the rotaries in the RX-7 and RX-8.
ICYMI Mazda did just partner up with Toyota.
I got someone from Mazda of NA and they expedited my engine. Now it’s in transit to the dealer and should arrive next week, and I hope to have my car back by thanksgiving!Now it takes even longer just to get the replacement engine ⋯
I got someone from Mazda of NA and they expedited my engine. Now it’s in transit to the dealer and should arrive next week, and I hope to have my car back by thanksgiving!
Rosenthal Gaithersburg Mazda. They said they only had one other before mine like this so I don’t think they’re a high volume dealer. I only went there because it’s the closest to my house, but it’s not where I bought either of my Mazdas.What dealership are you at? (If you don't mind me asking.)
Speaking as the owner of several RX-7s and as a Moderator over at the RX-7 club, the rotary got a bad rap from people who abused and neglected it.
Its problems are not a build quality issue, but rather a complete failure of it's inherent design and the laws of physics.
You just contradicted yourself. You said the reasons of total failure on Mazda’s rotary engines are inherent design and the laws of physics which I totally agree. But why the failure has anything to do with owner’s abuse and negligence? Every engine even the most reliable ones, will have problems by owner’s abuse and negligence.Speaking as the owner of several RX-7s and as a Moderator over at the RX-7 club, the rotary got a bad rap from people who abused and neglected it.
Its problems are not a build quality issue, but rather a complete failure of it's inherent design and the laws of physics.
I still love those damn things for some reason.
Unfortunately most car owners nowadays don’t care if their car is an appliance or not. In addition, most cars on the market have caught up on performance and they drive fine in most cases.Please don't build boring cars.
Please don't build boring cars.
Please don't build boring cars.
I cross-shopped the Highlander when buying my CX-9. There's a reason I ended up in the Mazda. Toyotas are freaking appliances. They're reliable and do the job, but they're the automotive equivalent of Valium. I want a fun to drive car.
Yes, Mazda is an excellent car manufacture from Japan. They have featured many good vehicles and can be fine examples in car history.I pray that Mazda stands behind their slogans:
"Driving matters"
"Feel Alive"
"Zoom Zoom"
"Passion for the road"
"Soul of a sports car"
"Get in, Be moved."
Yes, I've owned Mazdas over almost my entire driving career. Their vintage spans my entire lifetime from the early-mid 1980s to present day.
Mazda MPV was an excellent product in 1980’s, and is the pioneer of the once very popular minivans. Almost every family with kids had one at the time. But one MPV which was owned by a relative had the seat cushion on front passenger seat somehow moved backward and fell out of the position which I thought the problem is very odd.Even the 2003 MPV Minivan I had was sporty.
Even the 1989 B2600i 4x4 pickup truck I had was sporty.
You just contradicted yourself. You said the reasons of total failure on Mazda’s rotary engines are inherent design and the laws of physics which I totally agree. But why the failure has anything to do with owner’s abuse and negligence? Every engine even the most reliable ones, will have problems by owner’s abuse and negligence.
It failed because the only way to get any sort of useful power of of the rotary is to force feed it. I know of plenty of RX-7 owners making 500+ HP, but they're all on boost.What amazed me was Mazda put the rotary engine in mass production since 1960’s, where nobody else could do for a good design on paper, and kept doing it until the engine had totally failed in 1990’s due to the unacceptable fuel consumption and horsepower ratio in addition to unsolvable reliability and emission issues.
Mazda also loves to experiment and explore engine technologies... The Atkinson and Miller cycle engines are in their fleet as well.Yes, Ford rescued Mazda from bankruptcy and we can still enjoy Mazda products nowadays, but I’m afraid that Mazda now is heading to the wrong direction again by trying too hard to be different from everybody else, such as adding the cylinder deactivation with bad reputation to the 2.5L I4, the American’s First, and developed the industry first SPCCI / SkyActiv-X engine, another engine based on simple and good design on paper (HCCI) like the rotary engine but it has become very expensive and complicated engine which can’t even make it available in the US market!
Unfortunately most car owners nowadays don’t care if their car is an appliance or not. In addition, most cars on the market have caught up on performance and they drive fine in most cases.
Yes, Mazda is an excellent car manufacture from Japan. They have featured many good vehicles and can be fine examples in car history.
Sadly, I think you're right about them heading in the wrong direction.
However, they ARE in the business of making mass produced cars... Not niche market curios for fanboys and enthusiasts...
Yeah, but the promised、complicated and costly Mazda SkyActiv-X SPCCI 3.0L Inline-6 with supercharger + 48V mild hybrid produces only 300 hp and 253 ft-lb.On the other hand, Mazda is moving to a native rear wheel drive platform with a longitudinal inline 6. This is definitely the right direction if you are an enthusiast.
I remember Mazda used to be called the "Japanese BMW" by some car magazines. They might actually start making better BMWs than BMW - they have gotten fat and ugly.
Hey everyone, I like this conversation, but could you start a new thread discussing future engines?Yeah, but the promised、complicated and costly Mazda SkyActiv-X SPCCI 3.0L Inline-6 with supercharger + 48V mild hybrid produces only 300 hp and 253 ft-lb.
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With this engine in the RWD platform, do you really believe it’s capable of being a BMW beater?
Hey everyone, I like this conversation, but could you start a new thread discussing future engines?
Yes, saw a few such reports on loss of compression before on the 2.5T which also resulted engine replacement.It’s been fine ever since, but I didn’t have a cracked head or coolant leak. It was loss of compression in one of the cylinders.