13.3 on 116 - Praise me
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twiztedjeckel
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Re: HEY!!!!!! How about........
don't you have an intake to be pawning off on unsuspecting people old man winter?
and i think Joe's right on this one. that hauling some serious ass and just a tad waaaay to god damn high of a trap speed to be true. i don't care if he was on rice gas with his forged colon or not
AGR#7 said:
don't you have an intake to be pawning off on unsuspecting people old man winter?
and i think Joe's right on this one. that hauling some serious ass and just a tad waaaay to god damn high of a trap speed to be true. i don't care if he was on rice gas with his forged colon or not
Hey, I invite anyone to come see it yourself. I don't have a scanner but I'll post some pics when I get my digital camera back. I know you are all skeptical, but hey, I'm not bullshitting. BTW, I run a 75 shot and currently have 550cc injectors. I'm racing again next week if anyone from Iowa wants to come out and see. I'll also be at the car show in Galesburg on Sunday.
twiztedjeckel
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RX-KEVIN said:
modded maybe. otherwise she's a doggin little ***** who needs a good swift wind going down hill to really get anywhere fast.
Kenetix said:
I was going by your mods list- you make no mention of a turbo, only FMIC, E-Manage and exhaust really.. With a larger turbo and 75 shot, it is getting in the ballpark. How the hell did you get such a crappy ET for that MPH and still manage to break an axle on the launch
??Who made your turbo for you and what AR housings are you using? I am looking for a decent upgrade.
Joe
If you are telling the truth, I will be the first to apologize. Just understand that nothing adds up- the ET, MPH, boost, broken axle- nothing... You make no mention of a super 60 wheel (with the stock turbine???) or nitrous in your post- just 13.3@119 with 15 psi and 116 and you mods list makes no mention of nitrous or turbo work. It only comes up after you are questioned for such far-fetched numbers. I hope you can see where this is coming from. If this is for real, I will be right there congratulating you and will help as much as I can to further your progress... It just doesn't fit the way you presented it.. you say you have pistons, but no mention of rods. You no say you have a super 60 wheel but make no mention of turbine or anything- plus there is no mention of head or intake porting to attempt to make this thing breath to 119 mph in the 1/4. It is not the best flowing Import head out there.. You presented it like you had the minor mods listed and went 13.3@119.. Now the story gets deeper.. For the MSP's sake, I'd like it to be true, but I don't know. I'm not sold yet 
.. Not that anyones opinion should matter anyway if you did it and no one believes it- **** us, you know what you did . I am just on the other side of that fence, that's all..
Joe
PS- Off the subject, but speaking of fast turbo cars.. A guy that hangs with us has a 71 Z28 with a 427 aluminum small block, twin T-76's, Lenco trans, DFI, etc. Ran mid 8's at almost 170 first and only time at the track.. We all went for a drive tonight- what a hell of a "street" car.. Looked and sounded wicked driving alonside it!!!
.. Not that anyones opinion should matter anyway if you did it and no one believes it- **** us, you know what you did . I am just on the other side of that fence, that's all..Joe
PS- Off the subject, but speaking of fast turbo cars.. A guy that hangs with us has a 71 Z28 with a 427 aluminum small block, twin T-76's, Lenco trans, DFI, etc. Ran mid 8's at almost 170 first and only time at the track
.. We all went for a drive tonight- what a hell of a "street" car.. Looked and sounded wicked driving alonside it!!!one more thing- and this is an honest question for my own info- what HKS FCD are you running? I have called HKS 3 different times and they say they do not have one that works with the MSP and will not until the end of summer :wtf: .. If you have one that works, what PN is it? I have been wanting to get one for a few months now- that is actually what pushed me to make my own...
Joe
Joe
Hey Joe,
I appreciate you asking questions, and I know everyone is going to be skeptical, thats just the nature of the beast.
The turbo is currently running the Super 60 with an A/R of .8
The intake has been ported but the head remains stock. When I ordered my accralite pistons, I also recieved rods, but I just assumed everyone beefed up the rods when they went with forged internals. I fail to mention things because the engine is always changing. I have bad 60 ft times. I hook up but I just sit and spin in the staging box, its almost ridiculous. The HKS FCD is NOT my creation. I've got an electronics guy down here who did something with it. ( I don't know what he did, I'm not one with the force Luke) All I know is it works. He's also the same guy that ran the piggyback for me. I'm just a turbo guy, I know leave the electronics up to different people. I'll respond more I'm at work and gotta cut this short.
I appreciate you asking questions, and I know everyone is going to be skeptical, thats just the nature of the beast.
The turbo is currently running the Super 60 with an A/R of .8
The intake has been ported but the head remains stock. When I ordered my accralite pistons, I also recieved rods, but I just assumed everyone beefed up the rods when they went with forged internals. I fail to mention things because the engine is always changing. I have bad 60 ft times. I hook up but I just sit and spin in the staging box, its almost ridiculous. The HKS FCD is NOT my creation. I've got an electronics guy down here who did something with it. ( I don't know what he did, I'm not one with the force Luke) All I know is it works. He's also the same guy that ran the piggyback for me. I'm just a turbo guy, I know leave the electronics up to different people. I'll respond more I'm at work and gotta cut this short.
Kenetix said:
I agree, I assume a lot of things are "understood" when tuning/building a car, but since you specifically mentioned a piston brand and nothing about rods at all, that looked odd
. Especially here where even a spark plug change is usally spelled out word for word with pictures .. I am just used to seeing that here and I guess I was doing my own "assuming"...I must say, that is pretty impressive. It just seemed fishy- your original post made it "sound" like an otherwise stock setup running 15 psi going 119 (screw the ET- 119 is moving for this car
!!!) on 116 race fuel. No mention of the Nitrous either- that played a BIG part of it- a 75 shot on a turbo car is worth damn close to 100- maybe more due to the increased cooling also.I am curious if you were able to control timing on your car with the E-Manage? Some people say yes, others say no.
Man, as impressive as your run is, it sucks
- because now I have to turn up the wick sooner than planned ... I wanted to see how far the stock stuff would go first so I can help the rest of the guys out who don't want to do a major buildup what to do and then go all out once that is accomplished.. About the turbo again- are you still running the stock bearing housing and turbine? Sounds like you just upgraded the wheel and compressor.
Joe
This is interesting, Im going to meet a guy today that has his best hit 13.4s @ 104.7 and 2.0 in 60ft with only 9psi on an automatic Protege5. Stock internals.
Kenetix, those times are high, Ive seen 13.5 with only 12 psi with slicks and Hiboost did 13.8 with stock tires, both cars has no LSD.
Kenetix, those times are high, Ive seen 13.5 with only 12 psi with slicks and Hiboost did 13.8 with stock tires, both cars has no LSD.
By all my guestimations this 'SHOULD' be a high 11 second car. I personally think the turbine is a little large, I'm really not gaining anything till above 4000 rpms. I also believe thats why my trap speed is so high. I havent worked all the kinks out yet, but I'm trying to get a friend of mine that works for Primedia, to do a shoot for the car in either SCC or SuperStreet. Also Joe, currently the turbine and housing are both stock. I'm trying to get ACT to get me a clutch in because it's slipping real bad, also the tranny is just about gone.
In my honest opinion I think people could reach upwards of 400 hp at the crank with stock internals. People may think this is crazy, but everything that we removed from the engine looked VERY hardy, well made. Of course you never know without doing a stress test, but I think the engine is capable.
In my honest opinion I think people could reach upwards of 400 hp at the crank with stock internals. People may think this is crazy, but everything that we removed from the engine looked VERY hardy, well made. Of course you never know without doing a stress test, but I think the engine is capable.
you could be righ about pushing 400hp on stock internals we will never know without testing:
I may try it with the piggyback of course, lets see ho good they are.
Mazda says 300HP then rods will bend, but maybe we can push that to 400 with good race fuel and timing retard, this way we will not need more PSIs than needed.
I say, tune the car for 15psi and stay there, tune and continue tunning and maybe you will get more HP from 15psi than anyother with 20psi without proper tuning.
Thats what Im going to do, but at 10psi
I may try it with the piggyback of course, lets see ho good they are.
Mazda says 300HP then rods will bend, but maybe we can push that to 400 with good race fuel and timing retard, this way we will not need more PSIs than needed.
I say, tune the car for 15psi and stay there, tune and continue tunning and maybe you will get more HP from 15psi than anyother with 20psi without proper tuning.
Thats what Im going to do, but at 10psi
Oh yeah totally agree, right now its about what I want to be at as far as a level where I can achieve some lower times. I really don't ever plan on running more than 18psi. I'm trying to tune this thing with as well as it can be with just a different compressor wheel, I'd like the rest of the turbo to remain stock.
Kenetix said:
119 with a good 60' should be mid-high 11's. What were your 60' times? I can't see the stock turbine spinning a super 60 wheel, it is too damn small.
I agree on the 400 hp mark for stock internals with good tuning. I have been running 18-21 psi since yesterday and, not that it is a long test duration, but if it were what people said it was- I would have nuked it first pass. Hehe- pulled a stock 3.5 titanium today like he was in reverse
.. I also have 116 in the tank still to, otherwise it would detonate like crazy above 11 psi. I just tried colder plugs to try to get more boost on pump gas, but I won't know how much more I can get until I get straight pump in the tank.. What plugs are you running?glad to see someone else making progress though, just two different setups- I am tuning the stock stuff and you just skipped right past it
. That was going to be my winter project if I kept the car .. I may just go standalone at that point though.. Until then, I am using hte stock stuff and working around it. I have had good luck so far. I am going to dyno the car tomorrow, so I will keep you posted on what the stock turbo, IC, ECU, etc. will do at 11psi (where I ran 14.2@100) and what it will do at 17 psi and possibly 20 psi if it holds together another day . I will be bringing the speedy dri and the degreaser for his dyno rollers just in case .Joe
