1.8 engine swap for the P5 ???

[SilverProtege5]

I know that the 1.8 probably makes less power but they share alot of the same engine parts, I have also heard that the 1.8 is a smoother motor.

What do you guys think about it, tranny fitment problems, ECU swaps, motor mounts.

How hard do you think it would be.

 

[njaremka]

i don't see why not, but why? keep your two liter and help it breath better with a turbo.

 

[Rogue_Biker]

Why would you want to?

 

[tritonheat1]

First of all, i used to own a 94 Protege LX with the 1.8 DOHC 16-valve motor and it ran faster and had quicker acceleration than the MP3. So i'm pretty sure that if you drop a 1.8L into the P5 with variable mods, you can run N/A side with GS-R's, RSX, celica's. Plus they have the 1.8 Bpt motor 180hp for $ 979, or the 210HP motor for $14-1700 at www.corksport.com;)

 

[slowyellowp5]

It would definately be simpler to slap on a turbo to your original engine...which you know isn't all THAT bad...

But I can also understand why you'd want to put in a 1.8T...they are AWESOME motors...did you guys know there are Jettas and Passats out there with 220+ hp to the wheels, and the only thing they have done is a chipped ECU? And the chips you can pick up for like $300-400. My dad has a Passat and my step-brother has a Jetta, both turbos, so yea I love my 1.8Ts.

Flipping it around again...the 1.8T is an awesome motor...but if you are doing such a huge swap...why not stuff a turboed SR20DET or somethin in there? Can you say Zoom-zoom??

 

[njaremka]

First of all, i used to own a 94 Protege LX with the 1.8 DOHC 16-valve motor and it ran faster and had quicker acceleration than the MP3. So i'm pretty sure that if you drop a 1.8L into the P5 with variable mods, you can run N/A side with GS-R's, RSX, celica's. Plus they have the 1.8 Bpt motor 180hp for $ 979, or the 210HP motor for $14-1700 at www.corksport.com;)

yeah, the 94 protege was a quick car with a strong motor, BUT it was way lighter than your pro5, too. the motor in the 94 protege was also a differnt line. the 94 used the BP motor and your pro5 uses the FS motor. to get a BPT motor intor your pro5, you'd be looking to spend well over the $1k just for the motor to get it in and running right. not a task i would want to do.

my suggestion: wait the few months until the flyin' protege turbo kit goes to market, spend the $3500 to have one sent your way, install it your self, (not that hard) and kick the asses of the GSR's and RSX's and celica's.

 

[SilverProtege5]

yeah, the 94 protege was a quick car with a strong motor, BUT it was way lighter than your pro5, too. the motor in the 94 protege was also a differnt line. the 94 used the BP motor and your pro5 uses the FS motor. to get a BPT motor intor your pro5, you'd be looking to spend well over the $1k just for the motor to get it in and running right. not a task i would want to do.

my suggestion: wait the few months until the flyin' protege turbo kit goes to market, spend the $3500 to have one sent your way, install it your self, (not that hard) and kick the asses of the GSR's and RSX's and celica's.

I have seen a BP motor and the ones i have looked at in the junkyard do not look like that, they look like the FS motor only smaller. If i go to a junkyard sometime soon i will take a picture of what i saw, I may be thinking of the BP motor but it just doesn't look like the other BP's i have seen.

That was my plan anyway to go turbo, I was just going to get a junk motor and beef it up with some heavy duty internals, I just figured if the 1.8 was a smoother running motor it might do better than the 2.0 with a turbo.

 

[Rogue_Biker]

........did you guys know there are Jettas and Passats out there with 220+ hp to the wheels, and the only thing they have done is a chipped ECU? And the chips you can pick up for like $300-400. My dad has a Passat and my step-brother has a Jetta, both turbos, so yea I love my 1.8Ts.

I'm not sure about that. 220+ with just a chip? All the chip does is up the boost pressure and adjust ignition and fuel maps. You will need to improve breathing (intak & exhaust) along with the chip to get that kind of power out of the 1.8T. You may need to replace the intercooler AND turbocharger too for a bigger capacity units. In fact, Neuspeed and others have "kits" or the parts for a proven 220 hp from the stock 1.8T. More if you replace the turbo. Altogether you'd send about $2,000+ to get that hp. What you will get in return is a car with "explosive" power but with lots of Turbo lag. Take a drive in an Audi TT with the 225 hp 1.8T. It has similar mods (albeit from the factory) and it has tons of lag. That's what you get from a bigger turbocharger/intercooler that flows more air at high RPM but don't do so well at low RPM. So it's gonna be a compromise. Not that it's bad though. I'd love to have 200+ hp even with some lag.

 

[70]

I'm confused here...Do you want the 1.8 liter FS motor, or the 1.8 liter BP motor?? Or the VW/Audi 1.8T??

The 1.8 FS motor will fit fine and actually makes better torque than the 2.0 liter FS motor. It is also supposed to run smoother.

The BP motor is gonna be a hassle of fitment issues. It'll fit yes, but the mounts are different, etc.

If you want a 1.8, go with the FS motor out of the earlier third gen cars. Skip the BP, it'll be a headache.

 

[slowyellowp5]

I'm not sure about that. 220+ with just a chip? All the chip does is up the boost pressure and adjust ignition and fuel maps. You will need to improve breathing (intak & exhaust) along with the chip to get that kind of power out of the 1.8T. You may need to replace the intercooler AND turbocharger too for a bigger capacity units. In fact, Neuspeed and others have "kits" or the parts for a proven 220 hp from the stock 1.8T. More if you replace the turbo. Altogether you'd send about $2,000+ to get that hp. What you will get in return is a car with "explosive" power but with lots of Turbo lag. Take a drive in an Audi TT with the 225 hp 1.8T. It has similar mods (albeit from the factory) and it has tons of lag. That's what you get from a bigger turbocharger/intercooler that flows more air at high RPM but don't do so well at low RPM. So it's gonna be a compromise. Not that it's bad though. I'd love to have 200+ hp even with some lag.

Yea I forgot to mention the kit includes intake and a muffer. No big deal...

Some choose to change the intercooler but most don't unless they get really crazy with the boost.

The turbo on the 1.8T is rated somewhere around the mid-200's I believe, so there is still plenty of room.

There is no 1.8T 225 hp Audi TT. That engine is twin turbo. Comparing the TT to a 1.8T is apples and oranges. The TT has the same engine but is twin turbo. There are also some small internal mods I believe. I was under the impression it had margionally less lag the the 1.8T, which is what VW was trying to accomplish, and if it does have lag the cause can't be comparable to a single turbo engine. I seem to remember hearing that the TT actually had very good driveabilty....

 

[tritonheat1]

I forget what Guy who had a 90 Protege GT which is an LX but in canada, he swapped his engine with the KL-ZE V-6 which has the 200hp motor with intake, exhaust, and springs. I think the car was on the website called A-spec.com or something, but he ran a 13.7 best, and occasionally he just ran low to mid 14's. The 90-94 protege's i think are underrated for HP, cause (Stock) the thing ran quick and fast just like an Civic SI does and has a high end Topspeed.

 

[Rogue_Biker]

The turbo on the 1.8T is rated somewhere around the mid-200's I believe, so there is still plenty of room.

There is no 1.8T 225 hp Audi TT. That engine is twin turbo. Comparing the TT to a 1.8T is apples and oranges. The TT has the same engine but is twin turbo. There are also some small internal mods I believe. I was under the impression it had margionally less lag the the 1.8T, which is what VW was trying to accomplish, and if it does have lag the cause can't be comparable to a single turbo engine. I seem to remember hearing that the TT actually had very good driveabilty....

I'm not really a big fan of Audi but I swear that your engine info is slightly inaccurate. Not trying to pick on you dude.

But the VW/Audi 1.8T is rated in the following choices:

Standard 1.8T on VW and Audis - 180 bhp
Higher Output 1.8T available on Audis - 225 bhp

The 225 bhp is their most powerful version and it is NOT twin turbocharged. It just has a bigger turbocharger AND intercooler and a modified ECU to run a higher boost and flow more fuel, etc.

Check it out: Audi TT

I believe the twin-turbo you're referring to is Audi's 2.7T, which is a V6 with twin turbo's and puts out 250 bhp.
Audi 2.7T Biturbo V6

The 1.8T family of engines are wonderful, high technology motors that put out lots of power. And with a few mods can put out a whole lot more.

 

[slowyellowp5]

...oops

 

[slowyellowp5]

Yea I did get confused...but if you look at the torque numbers for the TT on both models, there is no lag...the 220 one kicks in at 2200

 

[70]

I forget what Guy who had a 90 Protege GT which is an LX but in canada, he swapped his engine with the KL-ZE V-6 which has the 200hp motor with intake, exhaust, and springs. I think the car was on the website called A-spec.com or something, but he ran a 13.7 best, and occasionally he just ran low to mid 14's. The 90-94 protege's i think are underrated for HP, cause (Stock) the thing ran quick and fast just like an Civic SI does and has a high end Topspeed.

The first gen Proteges are pretty light, so the power is right on, the car is lighter than present Proteges.

 

[SilverProtege5]

I think that we are getting off topic here....

I don't know where the Volkswagen 1.8t motor came from, I am talking about the 1.8 FS motor. I just want to know if you guys think it would be possible.

 

[70]

I think that we are getting off topic here....

I don't know where the Volkswagen 1.8t motor came from, I am talking about the 1.8 FS motor. I just want to know if you guys think it would be possible.

Yes...

 

[njaremka]

the 1.8 FS will drop right in. the 1.8 BPT is the turbo model you were referencing above, and will nto drop right in.

but again, i ask you why? just get teh flyin' protege turbo kit, and you will have a great boostin car!

 

[SilverProtege5]

True but we still end up with the same issue, how much boost a stock block can take before it craps out. If i can get my hands on a 1.8 FS motor for cheap. Build it up, then i can run more boost, "safely".

I know i can get a Flyin Protege Kit, but then i would be no different than anyone else that has that kit.

I want individuality dang it

 

[njaremka]

True but we still end up with the same issue, how much boost a stock block can take before it craps out. If i can get my hands on a 1.8 FS motor for cheap. Build it up, then i can run more boost, "safely".

I know i can get a Flyin Protege Kit, but then i would be no different than anyone else that has that kit.

I want individuality dang it

then do whatever the hell you want. but i would stick with the 2.0 liter to save some money to put toward more stuff.