1.6l performance

[Shane5425]

What options do i really have ??
i know headers, i just put cai..
do they make cams for the 1.6l?? Is there a Japanese spec cam set for this engine?
i just want to get about 130 to 140 hp out of it..
i am prolly sittin at about 110.. since stock is 105 and all i have is cai and a axle back speed muffler. (this is hp at the crank)

i am just seeing what my options are ..
edit: i just found out that protege garage can get them..
oo. and who sells OBX headers, i see they make them , but i cant find a dealer..

thanx for any help
~shane

 

[viVid]

I assume you are lookin for 130-140 crank HP? Because us 2.0L folk are having a hard time even getting to 130 WHP

A cat-back exhaust would help, as would a header. Mazda3Online sells the OBX for the 1.6L:

http://www.mazda3online.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_46&products_id=271

An UD Pulley would help with acceleration and is a pretty easy install.

What options do i really have ??
i know headers, i just put cai..
do they make cams for the 1.6l?? Is there a Japanese spec cam set for this engine?
i just want to get about 130 to 140 hp out of it..
i am prolly sittin at about 110.. since stock is 105 and all i have is cai and a axle back speed muffler. (this is hp at the crank)

i am just seeing what my options are ..
oo. and who sells OBX headers, i see they make them , but i cant find a dealer..

thanx for any help
~shane

 

[Shane5425]

where would i get a ud pully , i only see the 1.8 and 2.0l pullys..

and yeah i was look for crank hp, prolly max i will get is 120 to 125 whp if that, but i have to do something to give this slotege a kick in the ass. turbo is to expensive for me right now.. that and id rather go to college than buy a turbo kit..


so here is the check list

Cai , Done
OBX headers are next .
ud pully if i can find one.
umm.. camshafts would be kool if they would make them...
.. other than that i dont know what to get to squeeze the hp..
(i finished the audio and body , now venturing into performance...)

 

[viVid]

Yeah, you're right... I only see UD Pulleys for the Miata and MX-3 1.6L (dunno if these would fit or not).

Gen1GT and Twilight both had custom ground cams, you may want to ask them who did them. Not sure about J-Spec cams for a 1.6L...

Better to invest the money in college than a turbo... cuz when you get out, hopefully you'll be able to afford a real sports car on your new salary! (Sadly enough, I AM out of college, and I have to call this grocery getter my sports car... haha! - Damn student loans!).

where would i get a ud pully , i only see the 1.8 and 2.0l pullys..

and yeah i was look for crank hp, prolly max i will get is 120 to 125 whp if that, but i have to do something to give this slotege a kick in the ass. turbo is to expensive for me right now.. that and id rather go to college than buy a turbo kit..


so here is the check list

Cai , Done
OBX headers are next .
ud pully if i can find one.
umm.. camshafts would be kool if they would make them...
.. other than that i dont know what to get to squeeze the hp..
(i finished the audio and body , now venturing into performance...)

 

[Shane5425]

Better to invest the money in college than a turbo... cuz when you get out, hopefully you'll be able to afford a real sports car on your new salary! (Sadly enough, I AM out of college, and I have to call this grocery getter my sports car... haha! - Damn student loans!).

lol.. yeah , i love my grocery getter.. id rather it than a honda or mitsibishi, the only thing i would trade my car in for is for a 6th or 7th gen celica or a classic muscle car(wont happen... way to much mula to keep up)

 

[Protege2K]

1.6 and performance in the same statement don't belong together. Unless of course you are saying the 1.6 sucks big balls and has no performance at all. With my experience with the 1.6 I learned that the only thing that will make a difference is a turbo.

 

[Shane5425]

looky what i found.. any 1.5l jspec bottom end will bolt right on to the 1.6l
check that out too the 1.5l head will bolt on to the 1.6l.. interesting.. hate to see cost of head though..
3rd generation:
Any ZL (1.5l) botom end parts will work with the 1.6l (ZM-DE) engine.
The ZL-VE head (which has S-VT) is a direct swap to the ZM-DE engine. You will
need to figure out a way to control the hydraulic controller that varies the intake cam
timing. This system is similar to the one used in the 2001+ Miata BP-VE engines, so
talk to the Miata guys about it the S-VT on their cars to learn more.

 

[Shane5425]

1.6 and performance in the same statement don't belong together. Unless of course you are saying the 1.6 sucks big balls and has no performance at all. With my experience with the 1.6 I learned that the only thing that will make a difference is a turbo.

i am in to far on this car to give up hope just yet.. lol.. plus i am stuck with this car for a year or 2 so i might as well make it more fun to drive..

 

[Shane5425]

No under drive pulleys for me..

"
Are there any underdrive pullies available?
Unorthodox Racing makes underdrive pullies however it is not recommended to
use any underdrive crank pullies from any company at all because it can cause
oil pump failures. All Protege engines are directly crank driven and if an under-
drive crank pulley is used, it can cause accelerated wear in it which will event-
ually lead to failure! Typical underdrive crank pullies do not have a harmonic
balancer and therefore all the oscillating forces from the crankshaft are
transmitted elsewhere. Even on the typically well balanced stock crankshafts,
there is always a very slight imbalance in them and as such the forces caused by
them results in the oscillations. Many turbo Miata engines have blown up from
oil pump failures due to the installation of underdrive crank pullies. Be warned!"

 

[Installshield 2]

Don't worry too much about oscillation fatigue...some guys harp on it like the doom of anyone who dares using a UDP...but its much more a "rumored" problem that will definately occur...and in reality appears to be more of a freak occurance...If you want one, get it...lots of people use them, even on boosted engines, and even with crank driven oil pumps, and get 130,000+ miles...in which something else fails first...Ed wrote that FAQ that you quoted, and he was always a die hard naysayer of UDP's and lightweight flywheels...but even with his experience and knowledge, and how often he would claim against them, you could still sometimes catch him claiming that it will almost never be a problem on a low output small engine with bolt-ons...Boosted to 20psi, making 350+lb-ft of torque, and with a aluminum flywheel on the other end...it might fly apart...But that is a different level of tuning, and a lot of other variables are pointing towards the whole flyin' apart thing...

If you are looking for 350,000 miles with no rebuilds, might not be the best investment...but the oscillation stress is directly correlated with engine output...and despite being a small displacement engine, the ZL's are far over engineered for the output they create...

You mentioned college, so yeah the S-VT head will be expensive...and it will require some ECU upgrades to control...

But remember what systems such as this do...they allow a blend of highend hp, AND lowend torque...You can get just as much peak gain with bigger cams, but loose a little torque down low...Since its a 1.6L, there isn't much torque down there anyway...so that is up to you and what kind of daily driver you are looking for...

Also remember you always have the option of custom internals, ECU upgrades, and compression increases as well...But not for cheap...I would look into the UDP, get some lighweight wheels, maybe a lightweight flywheel if that is an option...and get the header and a custom set of cams...You will be right on your 130bhp level most likely, and with the weight of your car, have a much more fun to drive car than you do now...

 

[Installshield 2]

1.6 and performance in the same statement don't belong together. Unless of course you are saying the 1.6 sucks big balls and has no performance at all. With my experience with the 1.6 I learned that the only thing that will make a difference is a turbo.

This is meaningless and ignorant...

He mentioned in his first post that he is saving for college, and is not going the turbo route...There definately are ways to get his output goal of 130bhp without a turbo too...

EDIT: Ooops...didn't realize you may have had a 1.6L before your MP3 (by your screen name)...So you have more experience with that engine than I do...and maybe these bolt-ons yeild very little...

Just thought you were some boosted dude hagglin' him about his NA 1.6L...But since he is not going with a turbo...we should just give him what options he does have, because if the turbo is too expensive...so is a new car...

 

[Gen1GT]

There's not a lot of bolt-on stuff for your engine, which leaves custom parts. ANY engine is capable of 100hp/L with the right tuning. So if you wanted to get custom pistons, cams, headwork, manifold(have no idea what the ZL manifold is like), you could EASILY get 130hp, or about 110 at the wheels....

 

[Protege2K]

This is meaningless and ignorant...

He mentioned in his first post that he is saving for college, and is not going the turbo route...There definately are ways to get his output goal of 130bhp without a turbo too...

EDIT: Ooops...didn't realize you may have had a 1.6L before your MP3 (by your screen name)...So you have more experience with that engine than I do...and maybe these bolt-ons yeild very little...

Just thought you were some boosted dude hagglin' him about his NA 1.6L...But since he is not going with a turbo...we should just give him what options he does have, because if the turbo is too expensive...so is a new car...

Yeah I owned a 1.6 for about 2 years. Believe me, no matter what you bolt onto this car it will not be any faster. Especially if you have a huge heavy system in the trunk (I had over 100lbs in my trunk at one point). These cars can be decently quick with a turbo like THEGOLDPRO's. But if you are going to spend the money on an Injen intake and exhaust, headers, cams, and all the other stuff you may as well put up about another $1000 and get real performance. But since you don't want to go the F/I route I say just start modding your suspension. Because you don't need alot of hp to turn fast.

 

[Shane5425]

i have msp struts.. just need the springs.. , sway bars might come later..

 

[Gen1GT]

Yeah I owned a 1.6 for about 2 years. Believe me, no matter what you bolt onto this car it will not be any faster. Especially if you have a huge heavy system in the trunk (I had over 100lbs in my trunk at one point). These cars can be decently quick with a turbo like THEGOLDPRO's. But if you are going to spend the money on an Injen intake and exhaust, headers, cams, and all the other stuff you may as well put up about another $1000 and get real performance. But since you don't want to go the F/I route I say just start modding your suspension. Because you don't need alot of hp to turn fast.

Dude, physics is physics. Just because it's a 1.6, does not make it exempt. The parts you had on your may not have been well matched to the engine, or each other. ANY engine has power potential. If they can make 400hp NA from a Ford 2.3, then you can make 130hp from a Mazda 1.6....

 

[Protege2K]

Dude, physics is physics. Just because it's a 1.6, does not make it exempt. The parts you had on your may not have been well matched to the engine, or each other. ANY engine has power potential. If they can make 400hp NA from a Ford 2.3, then you can make 130hp from a Mazda 1.6....

Yeah this is completely true. My point though is the money it will take to make a 1.6 faster is more effectively spent on a turbo setup than alot of bolt-ons.

 

[Shane5425]

true true, i just want to get a lil bit more out of it, turbo is in future plans but after it is paid for .. about 2-3 years , that is if i still have the car..

 

[Gen1GT]

Very true. Imagine the turbo set-up I could afford for the 11Gs I'm spending on my BP build. Imagine the turbo set-up you could buy for a 328i, over the money you would spend on an M3. Sometimes it's not about absolute power.

No-one's ever going to deny that a turbo isn't a quicker way for more power. One day when I've got 170whp and the sound that comes with IRTBs, no-one will argue.

http://www3.telus.net/terence_chu/coolstuff/irtb.mpeg

I never get tired of that clip.....

 

[zoom-zoom]

hey go to this site they have a 1.6L Complete Pulley Set and a Mazda Protege Adjustable Cam Gears for the 1.6L got to http://www.srmotorsports.com/protege.htm




(redpro) ^~MZS~^
1999 Lx Mazda Protege

 

[steve_protege]

Check it out all!!


I got an e-mail from Derrick from Corksport and this is what he said:

" Hello Steve,

Would you care to be a test subject? I have a set here on my desk.

Derrick "


That response is in reference to the ZL-VE exhaust/intake cams from the 1.5 VVT Protege engine. These are supposed to be a direct swap into the 1.6 liter ZM-DE engine on the 99-00 Protege.