what hardpipes/bov/intake/IC?/wtfbbq to get

[slug420]

as you can see, I have been a member here for a long time, however for various reasons I have paid no attention to the msp section for probably over a year now.

I find myself considering purchasing a couple performance related mods now and so I want ot know what is out on the market so i can see how much it all is and decide what i want to do. So gimme your reccomendations....

I want to run the dual setup that gives you a BOV stock bpv and no stalling issues.

I dont want to modify the stock pipes so I will want hardpipes also.

I want an SRI, but it must work with the hardpipes obviously and once again, no stalling.

I dont know how much these hardpipe kits go for or if they come with the neccesary flanges or if I would have to modify it no matter what kit i buy to be able to run the setup I described above. If the kits are pretty expensive, and some FMIC kits come with hardpipes and are not ridiculously more expensive then I MAY consider them also....

so
SRI
BOV
PIPES?
FMIC?

and if I was to wind up with a FMIC, would that drop the overall boost since it is larger than the SMIC and so I would also want to get a MBC?

 

[Striker187]

SRI - perrin makes one. the placement of the filter may make it incompatible with other kits but it looks like you should be fine. i don't think there's any sri on the market that sells by itself. some people have simply bought the injen cai and left off the pipe that goes down into the fender well, effectively making it a sri.

Hardpipes/BOV/BPV - i'm not sure what hardpipe kit is set up to do this. turbohoses makes one. so does dsmconvert (i think he still does). i think essentialspeed also makes a hardpipe kit. you should check to see if you can run the dual setup.

FMIC - they're expensive. way more expensive than hardpipes. hiboost makes one. perrin performance makes one. they're also the only company that uses aluminum piping. ion performance makes one, though there's controversy over how they do business. pannauto had one, i dunno if they still make it though. BEGi makes one....i think they are the cheapest, around $800. however it only comes with the cold pipe. the hot pipe is ~$150 more if i remember correctly. by far the best one in my mind is mental addiction's kit. while it is the most expensive, it is the most complete kit. includes a sri and slimline radiator fans. it also allows for a bigger radiator, such as a stock p5 radiator. i forget what the pressure drop across the ic was. i had asked beau before.....something like 0.64 psi or something like that. it was definitely less than 1 psi. you'll only need a boost controller if you want to control the boost pressure. though if you're not thinking of upping the boost much, a smic might be something you wanna look into. i forget who makes a kit....i think maybe turbohoses did.

 

[slug420]

thanks for the info

if I wind up paying money for a new IC it will have to be mounted up front to be shown off but while I would like to get something from mam, 1500 for the fmic kit is gonna be a little too steep for me.

anyone know which of those hardpipe kits if fitted with the neccesary flanges to run the bpv/bov setup (like 505zooms)

 

[Striker187]

you might wanna check with cullen at **********. it looks like turbohoses kit might be what you're looking for. www.**********.com

 

[Swerny]

turbohoses pipes are $400. used FMIC kits can be had for $600 or thereabouts. you pick.

 

[slug420]

would the aforementioned used FMIC kits come with all piping and an intake?

 

[Swerny]

oops, sorry, forgot about that part.
Used intakes are pretty cheap, Alex the Bum just sold an Injen for $90.

 

[FSDET]

thanks for the info

if I wind up paying money for a new IC it will have to be mounted up front to be shown off but while I would like to get something from mam, 1500 for the fmic kit is gonna be a little too steep for me.

anyone know which of those hardpipe kits if fitted with the neccesary flanges to run the bpv/bov setup (like 505zooms)

imo its not too steep haha cuz u get a fmic kit which others sell for around 900 plus u get a BOV which is 200 and a sri intake also around 200 plus 2 extra fans and as a bonus one of the most effeicent cores EVER haha

 

[KySpeed]

imo its not too steep haha cuz u get a fmic kit which others sell for around 900 plus u get a BOV which is 200 and a sri intake also around 200 plus 2 extra fans and as a bonus one of the most effeicent cores EVER haha

HIBoost kit comes with a BPV and it does the job.. He hasnt mentioned a StandAlone so the BOV is pointless.

If you wana spend way too much money on a FMIC get the mam kit it comes with everything you could ever want w/e of a evo.

 

[daedalus]

If you dont want to go with the MAM, I would def. reccommend the Perrin FMIC (around 1100 now days) from cullen with a Greddy Type S BOV, Turbo XS BPV (Not needed, but much better than the stocker), Perrin SRI (or there is a new Carbon Fiber one being made right now by a forum member... no word on compatiability...)

I reccommend the Perrin for a couple of reasons. (1) Its a quality kit that is highly finished, and the piping looks great. (2) You mentioned looks and how it would show off in the front. No, NONE, NADA other kit will look as agressive or as large as the Perrin, PERIOD. The perrin replaces the stock bumper support with a redesigned one to allow for a larger core.

I have attached a picture of the difference. Beware 56kers... the second pic is BIG.

 

[FSDET]

for the money uspent on the fmic i would want it to say perrin on it like msp101s. btw very nice car . i personally dont like the yellow MSPs they are a lil gay sorry. btw what hood do u have ?

 

[ca_deal1]

Get the Hiboost FMIC, they fit great, plus it will come with a BOV greddy type s. They are 970 Shipped
Then you can spend another 300 on a custom downpipe or 380 with cat.
You can get a CAI or SRI from Riles ( I dont know how much he will sell you, PM him for price)
For about $1500, you will have everything you want.
P.S. This is the setup on my car.

 

[slug420]

corksport is looking like a decent option also.

sounds like their hardpipe kit that should be out about now has the extra flange on it, their prices seem to be pretty decent and I could get their DP also..

 

[daedalus]

Get the Hiboost FMIC, they fit great, plus it will come with a BOV greddy type s. They are 970 Shipped

I like the Hiboost, but for the money, the Perrin is 1,190.00 right now shipped. I would save up the extra 200 beans and get the better, bigger core, better pipe routing, and be happy.

 

[TX Speed Demon]

I have the Hiboost FMIC ($970 shipped) and Perrin SRI ($200). I have no stalling issues and am recirculating the greddy only. As long as you recirculate some air you won't have the stalling issues. I love both.

You may notice some slight damage to my filter. That is because I have a 1st edition Hibbost FMIC which has the BOV lower on the pipe. It sits right below the Perrin forcing the SRI up about 2 inches so it rubs against the bottom of the hood. You will not have this issue since Hiboost kits now come with a different intercooler>throttlebody pipe with the bov further up the pipe. I plan on getting around this by replacing my Perrin filter with an HKS one that is about 3.5" shorter.

Also take note of which FMICs require cutting. I believe Ion and MAM do, although not anything that hinders structural integrity.

The Perrin FMIC replaces the front bumber support crash beam with a smaller one so the bigger core can fit. It looks good, but lessens the strength of the car should you get in a front end collision.

I think only the Hiboost and Begi FMICs do not require cutting anything. Not having to cut anything so the car could go completly back to stock was a big factor for me.

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Also you will have to modify any FMIC kit to run a dual set up. No kits come with a location for 2 BOV/BPVs. That being said, the Hiboost one has a built in flange that works with the supplied HKS BPV or a greddy type s.

And honestly Slug, if you want performance you will feel a bigger differance by opening up the exhaust first. Intake mods help maintain performance, but don't provide as big a noticable increase as exhaust mods do.

 

[daedalus]

^^^ True. But they way I see it is, if I get in a frontal car crash with my MSP I'm going to want to die anyway.

 

[TX Speed Demon]

^^ Yes but that beam could mean the differance between having to replace just the FMIC or having to replace the FMIC, Radiator, Turbo & downpipe if you have a low/mid speed collision.

 

[505zoom]

...anyone know which of those hardpipe kits if fitted with the neccesary flanges to run the bpv/bov setup (like 505zooms)

You can have the Mental Addiction kit built with the flanges for my exact setup. Basically, there is 2 options... a stealth type setup, and a loud type setup. The stealth style is made with 1" flanges on the IC pipe and intake, and the BoostSciences BPV goes in between them. What you end up with is a gobble-free whoosh that is very close to being totally silent. The loud style is exactly what I have been running... you get the BoostSciences BPV just like the stealth setup, but you also get a HKS SSQV on the IC--->motor pipe. Both of them sound amazing to me in person.

Here is a clip of the stealth style setup:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/505zoom/MAM-Reflex_MSP_hi.mov

imo its not too steep haha cuz u get a fmic kit which others sell for around 900 plus u get a BOV which is 200 and a sri intake also around 200 plus 2 extra fans and as a bonus one of the most effeicent cores EVER haha

This guy knows what's up... BTW, those fans are close to 100 bucks each, so when you add up the cost of all the extras you get, the FMIC by itself WITH the powdercoated pipes ends up being in the 900 dollar area.

...I reccommend the Perrin for a couple of reasons. (1) Its a quality kit that is highly finished, and the piping looks great. (2) You mentioned looks and how it would show off in the front. No, NONE, NADA other kit will look as agressive or as large as the Perrin, PERIOD. The perrin replaces the stock bumper support with a redesigned one to allow for a larger core...

I agree that the Perrin looks really good with the monster core... however, this is something that some people might overlook and might want to consider. I pulled it straight from the perrin website:

We do not claim that this is a replacement beam for the stock bumper. This intercooler kit is designed for off road use and should not be used on vehicles which are driven on public streets and highways. Our beam is a highly reinforced intercooler mount that we hope will assist in the unfortunate circumstance of a front-end collision.

That is sketchy to me... furthermore, if you DO happen to get in a front end accident with the perrin kit, I sure hope that the claims adjuster that inspects your car is a total idiot. Most of them aren't, and most of them would void your entire claim after seeing that the factory front beam was replaced/tampered with.

The core is sweet and the endtanks are gorgeous, but I personally am not down with making my car less likely to save my life in a bad crash, all the while voiding my insurance coverage.

Just my .02, as always.

Get the Hiboost FMIC, they fit great, plus it will come with a BOV greddy type s. They are 970 Shipped...

No upgraded radiator options with that style of pipe route, and you get a few extra bends and some extra length of pipe when compared to perrin, iON, and Mental Addiction. IMHO, that style is the bail out way to do it and I don't really care too much for it. Wagner, Hiboost, and I believe Pannauto all use that style of pipe route.

...I plan on getting around this by replacing my Perrin filter with an HKS one that is about 3.5" shorter.

Check out the A'PEXi filter... much better filtering qualities compared to the HKS. P/N for the one that will fit our common 2.75" intake setups is 500-A027 (filter and 70mm flange).

Also take note of which FMICs require cutting. I believe Ion and MAM do, although not anything that hinders structural integrity.

iON requires cutting, Mental Addiction does not.

Also you will have to modify any FMIC kit to run a dual set up. No kits come with a location for 2 BOV/BPVs. That being said, the Hiboost one has a built in flange that works with the supplied HKS BPV or a greddy type s...

Again, the Mental Addiction kit can be purchased with the BOV/BPV setup already done for you.

 

[CasopoliS]

^^^ Always willing to help members out


Everything has been said.... I got nothin' to add, but good luck with whatever you choose. The options members have given are all good IMO, you will enjoy the MSP after them ... until you run into probelms or want any more power ..

 

[slug420]

And honestly Slug, if you want performance you will feel a bigger differance by opening up the exhaust first. Intake mods help maintain performance, but don't provide as big a noticable increase as exhaust mods do.

well, im not all about performance. Actually up until now I have been anti-performance in that I bought heavy 18s and heavy stereo equipment and no engine mods. But now I have some money and would like to make it sound better and maybe give it a little more zip at the same time.

The issue however is that I do not want my car to backfire are all as I heard it does with the corksport power series exhaust from time to time. as I understood it the reason it was doing this was because there were no cats.

If that is indeed the case I do not want to run catless because....i do not want backfiring.

Also as I mentioned I like the look of the stock muffler and the sound too. And while I could deal with the sound of an aftermarket exhaust system I really dont like the fat pipe coming out the back. I dont tihnk I can see much if any performance gains given those concerns since the cats and muffler would still be bottlenecks. If that is not the case then I am open to exhaust modification suggestions.

The only reason I considered the FMIC is because I didnt know how close it would be to the price of hardpipe kits (I thought i had seen some pretty high prices on hardpipe kits) and if i could get something that look badass for a little more then I would go for it. I will never actually push enough to NEED the fmic.

With regards to the mam, what I said about being steep had nothing to do with the value or quality of the kit, only with the comparison between how much I would be comfortable spending and how much it costs. I said it was steep not a rip off