2017~2025 Possible lemon?

[Kaps]

Question asked, question answered. You drive your CX-5 like an old grandma and it's going to learn and respond in kind. Reset the ECU all you want, you don't change how you drive, how's it going to learn any different?

While this is true to an extent - lets not discount the fact that the ECU is always learning and that learning period isnt 5 weeks or 1 month or something. If he starts to drive aggressive the ECU should learn quite fast - its not like if you drove like a nanny for first 2000 miles the CX5 forever is stamped with a less aggressive shift style. Plus he says he feels his brother's drives better and responds faster. So he is the same driver in both cars.

To the OP - its hard to prove this case as a Lemon. Your best bet is to make a dealer service / technician whatever drive it himself / herself and come out with the verdict that something seems wrong. You can try 30-50 times / 50-70 times / record when it downshifts etc etc, unless the dealer or a mazda technician says so - no one is going to entertain this as a Lemon.

 

[craigo]

While this is true to an extent - lets not discount the fact that the ECU is always learning and that learning period isnt 5 weeks or 1 month or something. If he starts to drive aggressive the ECU should learn quite fast - its not like if you drove like a nanny for first 2000 miles the CX5 forever is stamped with a less aggressive shift style. Plus he says he feels his brother's drives better and responds faster. So he is the same driver in both cars.

To the OP - its hard to prove this case as a Lemon. Your best bet is to make a dealer service / technician whatever drive it himself / herself and come out with the verdict that something seems wrong. You can try 30-50 times / 50-70 times / record when it downshifts etc etc, unless the dealer or a mazda technician says so - no one is going to entertain this as a Lemon.

Lemon has a pretty specific meaning. His car is not a lemon.

 

[ColoradoDriver]

While this is true to an extent - lets not discount the fact that the ECU is always learning and that learning period isnt 5 weeks or 1 month or something. If he starts to drive aggressive the ECU should learn quite fast - its not like if you drove like a nanny for first 2000 miles the CX5 forever is stamped with a less aggressive shift style. Plus he says he feels his brother's drives better and responds faster. So he is the same driver in both cars.

Eh, you misunderstand Kaps. I never claimed otherwise on the ECU, of course it is always learning. However, assume his brother drives it more zoom zoom like hence why it feels better on that front, then I assume it's going to respond in kind if I go take it for a drive and I drive it the same as I drive my own. It's learned my brother's driving, not mine. So I can drive it exactly like I drive mine, but of course it will feel different.

 

[yrwei52]

Lemon has a pretty specific meaning. His car is not a lemon.

Agreed. It could be just a bad sample with less engine power coming out of assembly line. Every new engine will generate different horse power. Not every new engine can meet or exceed stated engine power

 

[NelsonLewis]

Eh, you misunderstand Kaps. I never claimed otherwise on the ECU, of course it is always learning. However, assume his brother drives it more zoom zoom like hence why it feels better on that front, then I assume it's going to respond in kind if I go take it for a drive and I drive it the same as I drive my own. It's learned my brother's driving, not mine. So I can drive it exactly like I drive mine, but of course it will feel different.

Correct.

 

[NelsonLewis]

Lemon has a pretty specific meaning. His car is not a lemon.

Correct. Not even close. Comical to bring up the term, actually.

 

[SndChsr]

Does your brother keep his in SPORT mode? Have you tried putting yours in SPORT mode while driving? While not the most fuel efficient, it is more fun and peppier to drive.

Definitely not in Sport Mode. I would notice that. It's just more responsive and always in the correct gear.

 

[SndChsr]

Correct. Not even close. Comical to bring up the term, actually.

Not comical at all. As stated in my OP, I also frequently experience issues with my infotainment as well as pretty bad fitment issues. The car seems to have been rushed through production or QC.

 

[SndChsr]

While this is true to an extent - lets not discount the fact that the ECU is always learning and that learning period isnt 5 weeks or 1 month or something. If he starts to drive aggressive the ECU should learn quite fast - its not like if you drove like a nanny for first 2000 miles the CX5 forever is stamped with a less aggressive shift style. Plus he says he feels his brother's drives better and responds faster. So he is the same driver in both cars.

To the OP - its hard to prove this case as a Lemon. Your best bet is to make a dealer service / technician whatever drive it himself / herself and come out with the verdict that something seems wrong. You can try 30-50 times / 50-70 times / record when it downshifts etc etc, unless the dealer or a mazda technician says so - no one is going to entertain this as a Lemon.

Yes, proving it to be a "lemon" would be nearly impossible, not to mention time consuming. I used the word for obvious reasons. In fact, I think walking into a dealership and screaming that they sold me a "lemon" would probably do more bad than good

I will go visit the service dept and ask them to take it for a drive and maybe compare to 2018.
Thanks for the reply!

 

[SndChsr]

Question asked, question answered. You drive your CX-5 like an old grandma and it's going to learn and respond in kind. Reset the ECU all you want, you don't change how you drive, how's it going to learn any different?

Well, maybe I exaggerated when I used the work Grandma. But I did drive it very gently when it was still new. I have changed the habit since, but still, it's not what I would like. My brother also doesn't beat on his car. It just feels like a totally different vehicle.

 

[ColoradoDriver]

While this is true to an extent - lets not discount the fact that the ECU is always learning and that learning period isnt 5 weeks or 1 month or something. If he starts to drive aggressive the ECU should learn quite fast - its not like if you drove like a nanny for first 2000 miles the CX5 forever is stamped with a less aggressive shift style. Plus he says he feels his brother's drives better and responds faster. So he is the same driver in both cars.

Another point. This was never the point I was arguing.

What I am saying is that unless OP has actually changed how he is driving from his grandpa driving ways, then it's not going to relearn anything different. So naturally it will of course feel different.

As a spirited driver, mine sounds more like OP's brother's 2018. While there may be some underlying differences between 2017 and 2018, and of course some between Gen 1 and Gen 2, the underlying factor here is probably how OP is driving it.

 

[ColoradoDriver]

Well, maybe I exaggerated when I used the work Grandma. But I did drive it very gently when it was still new. I have changed the habit since, but still, it's not what I would like. My brother also doesn't beat on his car. It just feels like a totally different vehicle.

Ah ok, fair enough.

Well I don't know what to say, if it really is a significant difference, then sure take it in and have them drive it. Maybe test drive some other 2018's at the dealer as well to feel a difference. Maybe a 2017 too if they still have any.

 

[NelsonLewis]

Not comical at all. As stated in my OP, I also frequently experience issues with my infotainment as well as pretty bad fitment issues. The car seems to have been rushed through production or QC.

Totally comical, but now you*re talking a little more wisely. You may have gotten a Monday morning,late Friday afternoon car, but nowhere near a lemon. The infotainment and fitment issues won*t nearly classify as a lemon either(quite a few others have had these same issues), but I understand your frustration as I too think these cars are rather cheaply put together, and it*s easy to see where the corners were cut.

 

[Xeler8ing]

Retrain the CX-5. Pure and simple.

 

[shadonoz]

OP, you need to find another 17 [or 2 or more] and drive them. Compare your car to them. That way you'll know if yours is typical of 17s, or if something's wrong.