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Friend's 2016.5 CX-5 GT has built date on Feb. 2016. Mazda USA website still says this for 2016.5 CX-5 GT:
"8-way power driver's seat with power adjust lumbar support
6-way manual front passenger seat with seat height adjuster"
If Mazda indeed starts putting memory function on 8-way power driver seat and 6-way power passenger seat in current CX-5, that would be a great news! Are you sure you're talking about the CX-5, not anything else? Would you mind to take some pictures and post them?
astriuminc
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well, took a test drive on the CX-9 and can confirm the driver seat pan stays flat shown in the right image below, wouldn't even have noticed it unless I had the heads up on the forum. just can't believe there's no driver seat base tilt, it just didn't feel secure during braking. I've had many cars that all had it, even cars from the 90s had seat base tilt.
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Penny wise and pound foolish again?
Mazda3, Mazda6, CX-3, and CX-5 all have seat-bottom tilting, but not on most expensive Mazda CX-9? (uhm)
So, guys let's talk about the elephant in the room. I personally was waiting for this car and postponing the putchase and now i have a feeling we are looking at the major failure by Mazda. Uderpowered, not able to compete with the options and overprised. Am I right? Give me a reason to keep considering this car. My neighbour on Pathfinder will beat me at 0-60, will nave a hack more of the features and drive a cheaper car. Same with Sorento, same with Highlander (ok, maybe not cheaper, but very close and especially what was promissed for the upcoming one). Why all that "real wood" and ambient lighting BS if you can't meet the basic reqirements for the class?
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I haven't driven the car and I've had a few concerns complaints leading up to the launch. I've read reviews and comments here from people who have driven the car and I'm not sure what you're talking about. By all accounts it seems that the CX-9 remains at the top of the class in terms of the driving experience. It may be at the top of the class in fuel efficiency (although I want to see real world results over a period of time rather than rely on the EPA test cycle). Styling is pretty great. Tech is generally competitive although it seems some features are missing. People are happy with the powertrain although under some circumstances it may not be the right choice. This is not going to be your tow vehicle. But look at what GM did with the new Lambdas. The data must show that the market doesn't really value towing in these cars. In any case, the new CX-9, like every car, has flaws. I wouldn't say it is uniquely deficient for the class.
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The Pathfinder may beat it to 60 by 0.2 seconds at most, but only as long as the transmission holds out. Just do a search of failures on those CVT transmissions. All the reviews I see are estimating 7-7.5 second range to 60, which is right around where the Pathfinder is, except without that incessant drone of the engine from the CVT transmission. Both the Pathfinder and Sorento are cheaper because they are cheaper vehicles. Kia's are fine if you plan on leasing and getting rid of them in 3 years, but their value drops like a rock. My time testing it was short (about 15 minutes) but I was easily able to keep up with and pass traffic. The ride was smooth. The vehicle felt very solid and well-built. No vehicle is perfect but I came away impressed. Handles better than just about any other large SUV out there (except perhaps the Dodge Durango-haven't driven it), unless you're looking for a sofa on wheels. If that's the case, this isn't the SUV for you.
The Pathfinder is the wrong car to compare. I have yet to see any great review written of that vehicle. Oddly, I think it's the only Nissan that doesn't have HIDs, LED DRLs or LED taillights even *available* as an option. Sure, it's got an all-around camera available.
The CX-9 is missing a handful of features I would have liked--vented seats, heated rear seats, all around camera. But fully load a Kia Sorrento or Hyundai Santa Fe, and compare it to a Signature, and what's the price difference? And, really, you could drop down to Grand Touring AWD, and shave another $1500 off and not really lose many features at all--you'll lose the "real wood".
And, I haven't seen any new CX-9 reviews that were overly critical of the lower power; in fact, I think most have said, in real world driving situations (which 0-60 is certainly not), you are very unlikely to notice any difference.
I thought the power was fine during my test drive. Don't care about vented seats or rear heated seats either. It amazes me that everyone thinks the car should be perfect and have everything and then some in it. I think my complaints are legit in a driver seat that lacks adjustment, I didn't think it was comfortable, but that's me. Or the rear middle which is not a seat that anyone, kids included can use on a regular basis or a long drive.
As a whole, it handled nicely and the power was good. It accelerated pretty nicely and overall the driving was positive. The HUD didn't work with polarized glasses, but hey I can get a different pair for driving. The CX-9 is close to being a great car, so close. Just missed on items specific to my needs.
One thing that did surprise me was the 3 Mazda dealers I encountered. One kept sending me emails, even asked if I received the one with pricing, I didn't and they wouldn't send it to me, just kept filling my inbox on one of my accounts. One kept emailing me and I get that, but said "this car is bad-ass to drive" I replied that doesn't sound professional, then he challenged me to drive it and not find it bad ass. What a moron, I'm not offended, but its their judgement of what they should/shouldn't say, I find that a lot of salesmen like this are terrible to deal with. Then the last one who I went and test drove the CX-9 on Friday. I gave him my number, since they let me test drive, that was a mistake. I said don't call or text me, let me talk to my family and decide when/if I want to bring them back. Well that night around 8pm they call, then they text me today. I know they have marching orders from management, but piss off I said don't call or text. Is this normal for Mazda, are they that pressed to make sales? My Toyota experience is starting to look better, they just didn't follow up at all. Honda have all been way more respectful. And with that I'm out of the Mazda realm for now. I'm not buying a CX-9 or anything for the time being. Thanks everyone who did provide good information about the vehicle.
Bought a Machine gray Signature CX-9 last thursday (apparently first in Wa state). This is my first Mazda and couldn't be more pleased. I have had a wide array of random cars and currently own several SAABS, a Land Rover LR3 and an Alfa Romeo. I haven't found a lot of the above mentioned critiques to be issues for me personally (seat adjustment, Power which is actually quite good, and the dealer experience was also very relaxed) but obviously that is subjective. Anyways excited to enjoy this car with my family, nice to have a fun to drive 7 seater!
You misunderstand my comments.
The CX-9 first came out in '07. Now, finally, 10 years later (call it a '16 if you want), it has been updated--I think the Pilot has been updated twice since then. When you become the newest vehicle in the segment, my expectation is that you offer features at least on par with what you can get in almost any other competitor, if not more. Kia, Hyundai, Honda and Toyota all offer vented front seats and heated rear seats in their top level vehicles. Maybe they don't all offer surround view cameras--but Mazda has had ample time to make sure they got these features included--they are not state of the art features.
Mazda makes sure that certain features -- like HID headlights -- are available even on lower trims, but still omits other features that should be included.
I'm not saying the car should be "perfect"--but these are easy things that could have been included, and I'm surprised the Signature trim doesn't include them, or offer them as an additional package.
Mazda makes sure that certain features -- like HID headlights -- are available even on lower trims, but still omits other features that should be included.
This argument can be made against all of these supposed competitors. Mazda makes LED headlights/ tail lights standard across all trims and has class leading fuel economy and torque. Why can't the competition meet these new standards? It seems they need to up their games!
This argument can be made against all of these supposed competitors. Mazda makes LED headlights/ tail lights standard across all trims and has class leading fuel economy and torque. Why can't the competition meet these new standards? It seems they need to up their games!
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deepfriedsushi
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"Mazda’s Davis says we can expect even more luxurious versions of the CX-9 Signature in the future."
Maybe this is where the additional features like ventilated front seats, heated steering wheel or heated rear seats come in?
Given that the current Signature trim is "under priced" compared to the competition, this is where they have room to grow the price and add features to match. Gotta remember that the CX9 already comes with a bunch of features that the other competitors don't even offer. That's probably where the money went, instead of providing the other features that are "missing".
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I hope so. I just don't know why delay a package of features like that. Apple Car Play--sure, maybe that's not as easy to integrate. Semi-autonomous driving features--ok, needs more testing. But a "Signature Plus" package, or call it whatever you want, as a final topping on the cake with market-ready features. It should be out now.
Very, very few people care about "Zoom-Zoom" driving characteristics. More people care about remote start, heated rear seats, etc.
I had a 2007 Lexus IS; it had vented seats, rear sunshade, memory seats, nav, backup camera, illuminated kick plates, and other features. My dad was most impressed with: the steering column automatically moved up and back out of the way when the car shut off.
For a lower volume manufacturer like Mazda, they just don't want to be losing sales to a customer who was really impressed with a simple feature in another car that Mazda doesn't even offer.
deepfriedsushi
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Personally, I'm fine with the lack of the some luxury features and would rather have the money go to superior chassis tuning and driving dynamics. This is the sacrifice I made when buying Mazda. When I bought my CX5, I compared it to the CRV. The CRV had more fuctionality and utility, but I wasn't fond of how it drove.
I think the CX9 would be a similar story. It drives better than the competition, but sacrifices some functionality and utility. Now it's just up to the buyer to decide, which is more important. If we really want it all, then it's a matter of...are we willing to pay for it, because that new Q7 is awfully nice.
I think the CX9 would be a similar story. It drives better than the competition, but sacrifices some functionality and utility. Now it's just up to the buyer to decide, which is more important. If we really want it all, then it's a matter of...are we willing to pay for it, because that new Q7 is awfully nice.
Drove one today. Touring version.....and no longer excited about owning it. Yeh it's new and beautiful, seats are amazing...fit and finish spot on, pulls nicely out of the gate but engine sounds horrible when accelerating... Absolutely horrible. To those reviewers who say it sounds like typical turbo 4...no it doesn't. It sounds like frickin civic with retarded potato canon muffler. Same interior usability...similarly crude rear seat operation...no way my 5 year old can get access to the 3rd row on its own. Not excited about this car anymore...I will get it eventually I am sure but it needs more noise reduction to isolate that retarded sounding engine
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Mazdaville
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I just test drove one as well and left pretty disappointed. I had my sights set on the CX-9 ever since the LA Auto Show debut. Perhaps I set my expectations a little too high based on all the marketing by the Mazda team. Or that almost all reviewers gave it pretty rave reviews. From the outside, the CX-9 looks LONG. Much longer looking than the last gen CX-9 because of the exaggerated nose and hood.
First impressions were the steering felt pretty disconnected and too overboosted. The sport model with cloth interior, manual adjustable seats and dinky rear view mirror felt awfully cheap inside to me. I will have to agree with Drogos regarding the 3rd row access as well. Very crude operation and 2nd-row seat did not slide forward easily. I'm not sure if it was faulty, but it was hard for me to operate, let alone a child. Funny that Mazda touted a simple operation even kids could operate in their marketing.
Granted, they only had the sport model available to test drive so I may need to take a longer spin in a Signature when do they get one in. I'm not so sure how much more the signature trim would improve my impression however. I think Motoman was correct in saying for $44k you should probably start considering the XC90 or base Q7. Both of those feel significantly more upscale. I see a lot of comments defending or justifying the CX-9 from members who haven't driven it yet. I think they should reserve their comments until they have tested it out for themselves. The marketing of the car has been fantastic and what I was looking for but I don't think they delivered on the product.
First impressions were the steering felt pretty disconnected and too overboosted. The sport model with cloth interior, manual adjustable seats and dinky rear view mirror felt awfully cheap inside to me. I will have to agree with Drogos regarding the 3rd row access as well. Very crude operation and 2nd-row seat did not slide forward easily. I'm not sure if it was faulty, but it was hard for me to operate, let alone a child. Funny that Mazda touted a simple operation even kids could operate in their marketing.
Granted, they only had the sport model available to test drive so I may need to take a longer spin in a Signature when do they get one in. I'm not so sure how much more the signature trim would improve my impression however. I think Motoman was correct in saying for $44k you should probably start considering the XC90 or base Q7. Both of those feel significantly more upscale. I see a lot of comments defending or justifying the CX-9 from members who haven't driven it yet. I think they should reserve their comments until they have tested it out for themselves. The marketing of the car has been fantastic and what I was looking for but I don't think they delivered on the product.
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RedHotFuzz
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That XC90 is going to be over $50k in a hurry after adding a few options you will surely want.
And the Q7 starts at $55k. You're in an entirely different class now than the CX-9. Those who can afford the Q7 will not be cross-shopping it with the Mazda.
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