Speaking of gasoline, I've heard that Get Go gas is loaded with lots of ethanol to cheapen up the gas (since they lose a lot on those fuel perks). Too much ethanol will destroy and older car that wasn't made to run on it. Also, I usually always fill up with BP -- they use good detergents (invigorate) and the only reason they are not considered 'top tier' on that website is that they use less ethanol than other gasoline blends, which I think is a good thing! Keep that ethanol that destroys fuel systems and lowers gas mileage away from me!
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Speaking of gasoline, I've heard that Get Go gas is loaded with lots of ethanol to cheapen up the gas (since they lose a lot on those fuel perks). Too much ethanol will destroy and older car that wasn't made to run on it. Also, I usually always fill up with BP -- they use good detergents (invigorate) and the only reason they are not considered 'top tier' on that website is that they use less ethanol than other gasoline blends, which I think is a good thing! Keep that ethanol that destroys fuel systems and lowers gas mileage away from me!
Sad to see the focus is faster. I think ford does some things to make their demo cars faster.. but that's just a theory. I know if the MS3 had the same size tires as the ST and a stiffer rear sway bar it would eat the ST on that track.
I don't agree than ethanol blended fuels destroy older cars. Ethanol is a very effective cleaning agent in itself, and is what causes a lot of problems, particularly in older cars, that have built up deposits over the years.
First hand experience: I live on a farm and we have a fuel tank on site, gasoline is delivered to it via a fuel truck once a month, and that's what I use in my car(s). A couple years ago they switched to an ethanol blend. I continued to use the gas in my Miata, and eventually I started noticing some weirdness happening, at one point it wouldn't start, or would just stall immediately from fuel starvation. It ended up being a clogged fuel filter because the ethanol (which is alcohol), had cleaned the deposits from my fuel lines and gas tank and clogged the filter. I changed the fuel filter twice and since then it hasn't missed a beat.
There are other issues with ethanol blends concerning water content and separation, but that's a whole different discussion.
Gas with a percentage ethanol will yield slightly lower gas mileage when compared to fuel that has no ethanol blend due to ethanol having a lower energy content than purely petroleum based fuel. But when I say slightly, we are talking 2-3% less with a 10% ethanol blend. Ethanol does only have 2/3 the energy capacity of traditional gasoline, but at the same time you're only blending 10% in with gasoline, so the math is easy at that point.
Interesting facts: Ethanol is actually a net energy loss... in other words, it takes more energy to produce ethanol than there is energy to be consumed by burning it. Ohio doesn't require labeling of fuel that contains ethanol.
First hand experience: I live on a farm and we have a fuel tank on site, gasoline is delivered to it via a fuel truck once a month, and that's what I use in my car(s). A couple years ago they switched to an ethanol blend. I continued to use the gas in my Miata, and eventually I started noticing some weirdness happening, at one point it wouldn't start, or would just stall immediately from fuel starvation. It ended up being a clogged fuel filter because the ethanol (which is alcohol), had cleaned the deposits from my fuel lines and gas tank and clogged the filter. I changed the fuel filter twice and since then it hasn't missed a beat.
There are other issues with ethanol blends concerning water content and separation, but that's a whole different discussion.
Gas with a percentage ethanol will yield slightly lower gas mileage when compared to fuel that has no ethanol blend due to ethanol having a lower energy content than purely petroleum based fuel. But when I say slightly, we are talking 2-3% less with a 10% ethanol blend. Ethanol does only have 2/3 the energy capacity of traditional gasoline, but at the same time you're only blending 10% in with gasoline, so the math is easy at that point.
Interesting facts: Ethanol is actually a net energy loss... in other words, it takes more energy to produce ethanol than there is energy to be consumed by burning it. Ohio doesn't require labeling of fuel that contains ethanol.
Agreed
Had they disabled SWAS on the ms3, it probably wouldve run a faster time. They even talk about it cutting power coming out of turns. Also, the stock tires are not great. With good tires, an rsb, and swas disabled (or even holding the dsc button for 5 seconds) its a completely different animal
The water content and separation are very serious issues and I think that is why some of these cars are having problems. Also being a harsher fuel it can cause problems like you stated yourself with the fuel filters. My friend was describing some more serious issues which I can't remember off the top of my head, but I believe it had to do with water in the fuel from Get Go. ps: I'm against ethanol as a fuel, if you haven't noticed. The fact that it is a net energy loss is redicuolous.
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Just wondering. Does anyone know where they list now much ethanol these companies use?
There has been up to 10% ethanol in gas since the early 80s. The problem came when they decided to allow E15. I don't know if the study was ever conducted but I know for a while there they said it was only approved for vehicles 2007 and newer....
I haven't heard much about it since a few years ago but I don't exactly pay that much attention.
I haven't heard much about it since a few years ago but I don't exactly pay that much attention.
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Yeah, saw that yesterday. They are well done.
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celebrating St. Patty's at work, KCCO
These are all good points I was too lazy to type out concerning ethanol
A lot of the gas stations around here are selling E15, which always made me nervous with the RX-7 because it was never designed for that ethanol content. Yeah it's nice a gas station uses that little sticker but it doesn't do me any good when that's all that's available. Fortunately the entirely new system I build for the RX-7 will survive just fine.
Regarding ethanol always being a net energy loss I thought there were certain methods of manufacture/source that were at least energy neutral like using sugar cane or something. I'm actually a big proponent of synthetic fuels (think Fischer-Tropsch) and the biggest issue is getting over the net negative energy issue. Imagine a synthetic gasoline that's 100% pure or a completely sulfur-free diesel. It wouldn't completely solve the pollution issue but it would certainly solve the energy crisis looming.
Heaven forbid a car is quicker than the MS3!!!!! Stop the ******* presses! We need to put all our resources on the project of writing different articles saying its not true, and that it was driver error.
s***, we all know its not about how quick a car is in a straight line. Look at any RX car. Compared to any modern equivalent... they are slow as balls.
Ethanol laden gas is one of the reasons my Bavaria is now running an electric fuel pump, as well as having the carbs recently rebuilt. It does tend to eat away at older gaskets.
s***, we all know its not about how quick a car is in a straight line. Look at any RX car. Compared to any modern equivalent... they are slow as balls.
Ethanol laden gas is one of the reasons my Bavaria is now running an electric fuel pump, as well as having the carbs recently rebuilt. It does tend to eat away at older gaskets.
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Hahaha
Phen can chime in since he has driven/ridden in my car a good bit, I personally LOVE the combo of Koni Yellows with Tein S-tech, im running the front and rear konis around half way on the damping. its solid and planted but doesnt beat you up daily drive... i feel its a good combo of sport and comfort and ive driven nearly 40k on this combo, nearly 90k on the stechs (40k with stock struts/shocks)
and on another note, i cant wait for my new headlights to come in... either this weekend or early next week (dance)
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His videos are some of my favorite on YouTube right now. Him cracking up during the torque steer test was hilarious. And Randy Probst seems like he would be an awesome guy to hang out with.
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atleast the ms3 was still happy even though it lost, cant say the same for ol frownie fucus haha
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celebrating St. Patty's at work, KCCO
who's the leprechaun?
Randy Pobst IS an awesome guy to hang out with!!! We miss seeing him at the track as we don't get to many World Challenge races since we're so busy with Grand-Am.
