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[thewheelman]

I've been beta testing the software for the Speed6 for a couple of weeks now, and Chris's explanation does a great job to describe how the car performs after the flash.

Once I have a minute to sit down and write a review, I'll post it here.

-Chris

 

[FORZDA 1]

Hi, my name is Chris, .......................... I hope this explains the level of work and professionalism that has goes into our tuning.

Well Chris, it sure does fill a lot of white space in a forum post, but it doesn't say squat about the actual product, tuning application method(reflash or piggyback), tuning software application/availability, etc. The Hypertech website is just as vague and non-informative.

On the surface it seems you guys are marketing another me-too off-the-shelf tuning gadget. I suppose there remains a valid market segment of those ignorant souls who buy into marketing "hype"(pun intended).

When you answer the application method question (piggy or flash), I'll have some more detailed technical questions for you. Thanks!

 

[AequitasVeritas]

its a reflash. Ask you questions because i was a beta tester.

 

[FORZDA 1]

its a reflash. Ask you questions because i was a beta tester.

1) Is the tuning software open source for use by the consumer or proprietary?

2) How much does the tuning software cost?

3) Do you provide ECU Functional Description, Tuning Instructions and Recommendations for Performance? If so how much does it cost?

4) Does the tune/software software include 19 boost tables?

5) Does the tune/software include 19 Closed Loop Delay, Load, Throttle, & AFR target tables?

6) Does the tune/software include 11 Idle, Ignition, & Limiter tables?

7) Does the tune/software include 23 Throttle and Absolute Load Target tables?

8) Does the tune/software include 5 Mass Air Fow sensor calibration tables?

9) Does the tune/software include 12 Throttle Position & Duty Cycle mapping tables?

10) Does the tune/software include the VVT camshaft timing tables?

11) Do you provide software/tuning support after the sale? If so, how much does it cost?

 

[BacDoc]

You beta testers seem to be happy so far?

 

[AequitasVeritas]

You beta testers seem to be happy so far?

I love mine. Makes the car much more alive.

Is the tuning software open source for use by the consumer or proprietary?

It is a plug and play reflash, not open source.

2) How much does the tuning software cost?

Retails for $449.99. PM for Forum member deal.

3) Do you provide ECU Functional Description, Tuning Instructions and Recommendations for Performance? If so how much does it cost?

Its plug and play. No tables or anything confusing. vvv

4) Does the tune/software software include 19 boost tables?

5) Does the tune/software include 19 Closed Loop Delay, Load, Throttle, & AFR target tables?

6) Does the tune/software include 11 Idle, Ignition, & Limiter tables?

7) Does the tune/software include 23 Throttle and Absolute Load Target tables?

8) Does the tune/software include 5 Mass Air Fow sensor calibration tables?

9) Does the tune/software include 12 Throttle Position & Duty Cycle mapping tables?

10) Does the tune/software include the VVT camshaft timing tables?

11) Do you provide software/tuning support after the sale? If so, how much does it cost?

They will update the maps as needed and they are free to download.

 

[Coldspeed]

1) Is the tuning software open source for use by the consumer or proprietary?

2) How much does the tuning software cost?

3) Do you provide ECU Functional Description, Tuning Instructions and Recommendations for Performance? If so how much does it cost?

4) Does the tune/software software include 19 boost tables?

5) Does the tune/software include 19 Closed Loop Delay, Load, Throttle, & AFR target tables?

6) Does the tune/software include 11 Idle, Ignition, & Limiter tables?

7) Does the tune/software include 23 Throttle and Absolute Load Target tables?

8) Does the tune/software include 5 Mass Air Fow sensor calibration tables?

9) Does the tune/software include 12 Throttle Position & Duty Cycle mapping tables?

10) Does the tune/software include the VVT camshaft timing tables?

11) Do you provide software/tuning support after the sale? If so, how much does it cost?

I think you're missing the point. For those of us that don't want/need to eek out every last ounce of power from our daily drivers, this product offers additional performance that's been tested. It's not meant to compete with the almighty Cobb AP. I will never install more than an intake on my car and just want a simple tune. I guess that makes me an "ignorant soul". (bowdown)

 

[Blendercloud]

AequitasVeritas,

I think Forzda was asking about the ability to customize your own maps personally. Does Hypertech have a computer program that the end user can utilize to create, customize, and otherwise tweak each map.

Basically, all of his questions involve that and as such are probably only answerable by the folks doing the tuning. If this is indeed a fully-customizable reflash device it will be nice to see another option for the community.

Blendercloud

Also: I should note that aside from Forzda, bova is about the only other MS6 forum member fluent in this ECU. While his post may come off as egocentric, it's important to understand that he's asking these questions because he knows how the ECU operates. Even "daily drivers" need these tables, regardless of how little you want them revised from stock. In all likelihood, both Forzda and Hypertech stand to gain from this communication. As such, the community will gain from it as well.

 

[markspd6]

hey man i really love and need good information on this car.. its been a real costly learning experience for me.. but, in general i can really live without the tude.. it just gets in the way of absorbing and understanding this information.. (spin)

 

[antilleybomb]

I think you're missing the point. For those of us that don't want/need to eek out every last ounce of power from our daily drivers, this product offers additional performance that's been tested. It's not meant to compete with the almighty Cobb AP. I will never install more than an intake on my car and just want a simple tune. I guess that makes me an "ignorant soul". (bowdown)

You took the words right out of my head....My baby is a daily driver as well with the only mods being the Magnaflow Cats, CP-e CAI and HKS Super SKV; I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of my new Hypertech Max Energy Sport just to give me that extra zip when I want to play! (nana)

 

[BacDoc]

So this plug and play setup adapts to your cars current conditions (mods) and maximizes the safest potential out of your setup? I like the idea if it's idiot proof, and is adaptable to mods. If it's a standard plug and play for one general generic setup for any MS6 then it might not be for me.

 

[BlackMS6BTO]

thanks to every one that has posted up additional questions and all the detailed answers. im learning alot from reading all this. im basically just wanting to do a few more bolt ons and a nice simple tuner would be great to just smooth everything out.. this is starting to sound like a nice solution.. group buy in the near future?

 

[Coldspeed]

I view this product as being very much like the Wester's Garage ECM I run in my Suburban 2500 with a 6.0L. I don't know what's in it and don't really care. I just know that it really improved the performance and towing capability for my 10,000lb boat. I paid $575 for that tune and it's been worth every penny. The Hypertech actually offers some user options for less money. Sounds good to me.

 

[FORZDA 1]

I think you're missing the point. For those of us that don't want/need to eek out every last ounce of power from our daily drivers, this product offers additional performance that's been tested. It's not meant to compete with the almighty Cobb AP. I will never install more than an intake on my car and just want a simple tune. I guess that makes me an "ignorant soul". (bowdown)

Lol Sorry for any personal offense taken, as none was meant. Anyway, there are many factors in the Speed3/6 ECU that are calibrated for each individual vehicle, ESPECIALLY if you change the intake/exhaust. It is MUCH harder to get a safe, reliable tune on these cars than any other in memory.

This car is not a basic 4 cyl econo box or a Chevy/Ford/Dodge with a low-stress V-8 engine. The Mazdaspeed 3/6 series cars already have a highly tuned, direct injected, turbo-forced induction motor that is stressed hard enough to make well over 100 hp per liter of displacement completely stock. If this concept was applied to your grandpa's Buick with a 455 cubic inch V-8 (7.4 liters) it would make well over 740 hp. Grandpa would be in jail because he ran over and killed someone from "unintended acceleration"....

Anyway, the most important variable is the MAF sensor calibration required to get the Long Term Fuel Trim (LTFT) within reasonable limits so you don't have any lean/rich/lean problems when shifting on/off throttle and any time the ECU switches from Closed Loop to Open Loop and back to Closed Loop operation. The ECU will set a CEL if the LTFT runs above or below ~20% for more than 2 drive cycles. The various intake kits on the market today all require different MAF calibrations to run reliably at increased power levels. Have ANY of you folks wanting this generic device taken a look at your fuel trim errors? Do ANY of you guys know what I'm talking about?

IMO, if you're not going to learn how to tune THIS car and what makes IT work, then you're really better off to save your $450 and run the car with your intake and BPV and NO other mods.

I wish HYPErtech and you guys drinking their marketing coolaid well and hope you enjoy your generic tune for $450 with no adverse effects. Really, I do!

Shields Up Mr Sulu!

 

[FORZDA 1]

So this plug and play setup adapts to your cars current conditions (mods) and maximizes the safest potential out of your setup? I like the idea if it's idiot proof, and is adaptable to mods. If it's a standard plug and play for one general generic setup for any MS6 then it might not be for me.

No, the only "adapting" the ECU does is to correct the tuners screwups by adjusting the Closed Loop LTFT until it runs too high or low, then it sets a CEL and tells you it is screwed up....

 

[BlackMS6BTO]

you sound angry..

 

[Blendercloud]

He's not angry. He just knows there's a lot more to it than "plug and play", but no one who understands what he's talking about is around to answer.

It's similar to being in China with diarrhea and you're asking where the bathroom is but no one can explain where you need to go.

 

[FORZDA 1]

you sound angry..

Sorry, just a bit frustrated about folks like Hypertech taking advantage of the Speed3/6 community and NO ONE, on this forum anyway, actually questioning their methods in any detail. These cars have rather finicky ECUs and will bite you quickly. I'll go away now, just think about the details....

 

[markspd6]

then the issue and your frustration should be directed at the company whos fronting this product.. not the people who get suckered into buying it... (hand)

 

[Blendercloud]

As I said in my earlier post, Forzda is asking the right questions. It's important that we understand how Hypertech has developed their product. It doesn't matter if you just want a little pep in your daily driver or if you want to turn this into your very own race car.

All he is saying is make them sell you the product. Don't sell it to yourselves. And just an FYI, the "almighty Cobb AP" is exactly for daily drivers. It offers something for custom tuners as well. It doesn't get any simpler than plug in, select map from list, press okay, turn key off, turn key on, drive. *shakes head*