My Surgeline Tuned ms3!

Wow Somno, I just read some of your previous posts and I feel like I shouldn't have wasted my time responding to your post in this thread. Hahaha, you're a total n00b and guess what? Your s*** is so going to blow!!! Have fun running OTS maps, lolz.(eekfu)

You just proved my post to be even more true.
ATTN PLEASE!!! ATTN PLEASE!!! All those running MSCAI and Cobb AP with OTS maps are going to blow their engine!!! Sphincter said so and he is NOT a noob. (cool) That is all!

I don't do internet arguements junior so sorry, I'm done with this thread.
 
That to me is surprising that you achieved those numbers with those few mods...and on a mustang dyno to boot. Great job! 322wtq is FTW! I'd pump it up to like 19psi and put it on Dynojet just for fun lol.
 
zx2man, I hate to ruin your parade, but I have the same mods as you and no tune with stock boost and I dynoed two weeks ago 294whp/304wtq in 92F.
My mods: TurboXS downpipe, TurboXS FMIC, Corksport Inlet & intake, Turbosmart bov.

Keep in mind Surgeline uses a Mustang Dyno. Not sure what you dyno'd on but my bet is that it was not a Mustang and probably a Dyno-Jet. Mustang Dyno reads 20-30% lower than a Dyno-Jet.

MSF does have good info but they also have a TON of CRAP as well, not to mention the biggest bunch of douche bags on all the forums. If you know how to wade through all the garbage you can find good info for sure. However, you have to know what you are looking for in the first place as MSF has just as much crap as it does good info.

What I can guarantee is that 99% of those that have blown have done so due to their own stupidity and not the tuning solution they used. Hal even stands by this fact. What you read is not always the truth. If done right, I tune is a lot safer for your car than tossing on a ton of mods and hoping for the best.

Here is my tip of the day to you. Think for yourself. The more vocal ones on MSF are typically the ones that don't know s*** and talk out their ass. Research on MSF and other forums for your questions and concerns and come to a conclusion yourself. Don't believe everything you read, specially on MSF. NEVER and do mean NEVER listen to anyone on any forum that is being sponsored and pusing their sponsors goods. NEVER jump on the bandwagon for the next and best item to hit the market. Sit back and let the other idiots jump on the wagon. 99% of the time the latest and greatest is the biggest POS to hit the market and time will prove it.
 
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Thanks jnr5005...yeah Im pretty satisfied on the numbers..truth be told though..when Tim was first running some pulls on the car..my psi was like 20 and my torque was only 336..so by bringing the psi down to 17..and fixing the fuel trims and maf curves he was able to give me 322 wtq..so thats a difference of 14 tq on 3 psi..pretty dam good tuning...heck as we speak..im running the 15 psi map that Tim gave me as well, And im still around 310 wtq :). Its cause these small k04 turbos make quick power and with good tuning you alwas dont need alot of "boost" to get good #'s...But yeah speaking of the mustang dyno..ive alwas heard they read low..im sure ona different dyno my numbers would be even better :)
 
Wow Somno, I just read some of your previous posts and I feel like I shouldn't have wasted my time responding to your post in this thread. Hahaha, you're a total n00b and guess what? Your s*** is so going to blow!!! Have fun running OTS maps, lolz.(eekfu)

HAHAHAHA I don't get how running NO tune is safer than runnin a tune setup for whatever mods you have, thats rich
 
That to me is surprising that you achieved those numbers with those few mods...and on a mustang dyno to boot. Great job! 322wtq is FTW! I'd pump it up to like 19psi and put it on Dynojet just for fun lol.

Even mustang dyno's are very relative.

With my mods minus the TIP I dynod at 274 whp on a mustang dyno. There are plenty of people on these forums with my mods + downpipe + tune and they are still running about 280 whp.
 
HAHAHAHA I don't get how running NO tune is safer than runnin a tune setup for whatever mods you have, thats rich

11.7-11.8 afr at wot seems to be pretty good. I think majority of you guys just underestimate our stock tune.
 
With a catted dp, sri, tip, would i be able to run with no tune for a while? Obviously disconnecting the battery and everything and taking it easy after all are installed for a few miles. Im not sure i have the scratch to get a tune yet with my ap and not sure i want to run ots maps yet, even if i do itll be a stage 1.
 
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Very nice numbers! Glad to see good number with really good afr's and no knock. Must feel good to have a peace of mind that you are safely tuned to almost perfection.
 
Hmmm very inspiring... I have a 2010 speed3 and was a little worried about the stock turbo not being adequate for 300whp. I guess it wont be very difficult after all.

Glad for you. Goodluck!
 
good numbers... ull make over 300 on another dyno, mine made 320whp and 360wtq on a dynodynamics, with a trbo-back, intake, fuelpump and vlave and a pro. tune.. for those who say ur better off with a stock tune over a pro. tune with mods, ur simply an idiot.
 
good numbers... ull make over 300 on another dyno, mine made 320whp and 360wtq on a dynodynamics, with a trbo-back, intake, fuelpump and vlave and a pro. tune.. for those who say ur better off with a stock tune over a pro. tune with mods, ur simply an idiot.

Generalizations like "idiot" can be easily misunderstood and very inaccurate. I'm happy for your dyno results. But, not all mods require a "tune" and not all "tunes" are the same.

Moreover, the question I would have is whether a 320 hp tune on our internals and with the stock K04 will be safe and how long the engine will last before she goes "pop."

I'm not saying the tune is unsafe. I don't know. Maybe it's safe, but the statement about that amount of power raises an eyebrow, given what we know about the internals on these engines and the size of the turbo. We know what happens to small displacement turbocharged engines when the turbo is driven too hard and exhaust temps get too high. We know what happens when this small turbo is driven beyond the edges of its efficiency mapping and approach or tries to exceed its choke line. And then there is the issue of the strength of the internals and genuine concerns about the construction of the connecting rods just below the wrist pin.

Just a thought about the built in tension betweening tuning for power, tuning for safety, and the safety features built into the conservative tune of the stock ECU. I'm all for tunes that optimize engine performance and safety that are mod specific. I'm not for generalizations painting others as idiots.

Perhaps we should revisit this issue a year from now and see how the 320 hp tune has held up. Maybe I'll have to eat crow.
 
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Thanks for the compliments guys...sport6: I dont not have any reported knock what so ever in anygear so far in any rpm after Tim tuned my car. Keep in mind my peak numbers were from a "17" psi tune..which is still not that much boost..I honestly think our engines can handle that,so I feel pretty good about stress on my engine. And right now like I said before im currently actrully running the 15 psi map that Tim also loaded into my accessport..cause I only lost 8 hp and 10lb tq from going to the 15 psi map and my turbo is running super cool and the car is just running really good an pulling very hard. so Im running a real safe conservative tune,but still cranking out pretty impressive numbers..and when it comes to this tune or no tune your car..I honestly think to each thier own..if your running full bolt ons and dont wanna tune and your cars #s are "safe" then hey do what you gotta do,its your car..your money. I know in "MY CAR" that when No matter what map i used stage 1 or stage 2..or even when I loaded my original oem stock map back on..my car was running lean and had fairly decent knock with the current mods I had in my car..So..I didnt wanna take any chances..and I wanted peace of mind!..so yes i spent the money to get a protune and Im happy that I did. Thanks fellas :) and goodluck to everyone regarding the tuning of thier ms3 :)
 
Generalizations like "idiot" can be easily misunderstood and very inaccurate. I'm happy for your dyno results. But, not all mods require a "tune" and not all "tunes" are the same.

idk man, wut mods dont require a tune? an intake and bpv maybee.. i think once u start throwin in turbo-baks and fuelpumps and s*** like that u def need a tune.. technically ur suppose to tune a car to each mod. ask any ligit shop and theyll tell u that a tune is the most inportant aspect to moding... by the way my car aint makin that power nomore, in the mits of putting it bak to stock..
 
Generalizations like "idiot" can be easily misunderstood and very inaccurate. I'm happy for your dyno results. But, not all mods require a "tune" and not all "tunes" are the same.

Moreover, the question I would have is whether a 320 hp tune on our internals and with the stock K04 will be safe and how long the engine will last before she goes "pop."

I'm not saying the tune is unsafe. I don't know. Maybe it's safe, but the statement about that amount of power raises an eyebrow, given what we know about the internals on these engines and the size of the turbo. We know what happens to small displacement turbocharged engines when the turbo is driven too hard and exhaust temps get too high. We know what happens when this small turbo is driven beyond the edges of its efficiency mapping and approach or tries to exceed its choke line. And then there is the issue of the strength of the internals and genuine concerns about the construction of the connecting rods just below the wrist pin.

Just a thought about the built in tension betweening tuning for power, tuning for safety, and the safety features built into the conservative tune of the stock ECU. I'm all for tunes that optimize engine performance and safety that are mod specific. I'm not for generalizations painting others as idiots.

Perhaps we should revisit this issue a year from now and see how the 320 hp tune has held up. Maybe I'll have to eat crow.

Our internals are pretty stout. There is something else drastically wrong with these motors theres been VERY few wot blown motors the rest have all been part throttle while shifting after a long drive. No one can figure it our but the internals aren't the big issue
 

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