COBB AP question

[Biggs]

Been looking at the AP but I have a couple questions regarding the proper map to use.

I have a stock MS3 but i plan on getting a CP-e CAI, what map would work with this intake?

Stage1 91 v103?
Stage1+SF 91 v103?
Stage1 93 v103?
Stage1+SF 93 v103?

I have no idea.

 

[leadf00t]

You're going to want to use one of the CAI maps with whatever octane fuel you have available to you. You'll also want to get a set of one-step colder plugs like the denso Itv22's. Since your CAI is not the mazdaspeed version the map could run great, or you may have to have it tuned slightly to work with your intake. The off-the-shelf maps are a baseline, and work great for some people, and not so great for others. I have just installed my AP with my K&N Sri. It pulls a lot harder sooner, and seems to be driving fine. I will be installing my densos this weekend, and switching my forge bpv back to my stock like Cobb recommends with the AP. Recorded a couple of logs this morning that I'm going to post, and get some feed-back.

 

[Biggs]

ok the plug were something else ive been wondering about too since i read about it in another thread...

so getting the Itv22s is pretty much a must for me then?

I figured that the CP-e intake would be similar to the MSCAI(AEM CAI) so I wouldnt have to worry, am I wrong in thinking that?
and how will I know if i'll need to tune it to work with the intake? will the AP show me the readouts?

 

[leadf00t]

ok the plug were something else ive been wondering about too since i read about it in another thread...

so getting the Itv22s is pretty much a must for me then?

I figured that the CP-e intake would be similar to the MSCAI(AEM CAI) so I wouldnt have to worry, am I wrong in thinking that?
and how will I know if i'll need to tune it to work with the intake? will the AP show me the readouts?

Yeah you can log the information with the AP, and open it with Excel to see what your car is doing. I think there are other people running the same intake you are. Hopefully they'll chime in, and give you some feedback about their results.

 

[Biggs]

well this will be good news for my friend at least... hes getting a K&N SRI so he he can use the same map as you, right? (hes got a Cali model tho)

Ill wait to hear from someone else with a CP-e

 

[mazdaspeed32007]

the plugs arent necessary just preferred. any CAI will run almost the same as any other with the map. just be sure to have an air straightener in the CAI becuase when they made the maps they had one in. this will keep your MAF values identical to theirs. otherwise you might throw a code with the map from improper values

 

[Biggs]

yeah the CPe has a straightener, the MS doesnt, and mazda doesnt even sell the CAI anymore.

so basically your saying I can just use the map meant for the MSCAI and ill be fine?

 

[mazdaspeed32007]

with an air straightener. the air straightener will fit any of the intakes i believe. its made for a 3" ID intake. i would use one regardless what intake you have

 

[Biggs]

so thats a yes?

 

[COBB Tuning]

I answered your PM, but I will answer here as well. The AEM and MS CAI with the straightener are the exact same intake, so you can run that intake with the appropriate map.

The problem with all these different intakes is that they are different despite being similar in design. This can cause a myriad of tuning issues. If you are set on one brand of intake you should then start looking for a tuner and be ready for the cost of a custom tune. These cars almost demand custom tuning for different intakes. If you have the AccessPORT but don't have an intake, you might consider just staying with the stock intake as the power gains to be had with an aftermarket unit are not huge in compared to the gains made with a flash and a downpipe.

Travis
COBB Tuning

 

[MSMS3]

yeah the CPe has a straightener, the MS doesnt

Wrong about the MSCAI not having a straightener. The MSCAI DOES have the air straightener. I understand the second gen CAI is pending CAFE recertification and should be back on the market soon.

Some of us, self included, got them from reputable vendors (SU for me) with straightener before the recertification issue came up. If you are not in a hurry, they should show up again. If in a hurry, get the AEM, it's identical -- AEM makes both. Travis is right. The MSCAI is just a Mazda rebranded AEM.

 

[Biggs]

yeah i would but my first issue with the CAI (AEM and MS) were that the Fuel trims arent as close to the stock as CP-e's CAI. which is why I wanted to go with theirs instead of AEM/MS's.

I feel like a have to make a choice, either I just go with AEM/MS which will allow for me to add a cobb AP in the future or play it safe and go with a higher quality CAI with CP-E and skip getting an AP, since it seems like id have to get it pro tuned.

 

[mazdaspeed32007]

i have the mscai and my fuel trims were like 22%. once i got the air straightener they were down to 4%. its up to you. al the intakes are the same more or less. just saying cobb used an airstraightener in their tuning so i would suggest one no matter the intake you have. you want to replicate their numbers and parameters then you should have exactly what the mods specify.

 

[COBB Tuning]

all the intakes are the same more or less.

We have found this to be not true. All intakes are VERY DIFFERENT. They LOOK the same, but their design elements all vary slightly and this changes how they perform by quite a bit. Remember, the area of air flow that we are measuring is about the size of your pinky nail and slight alterations in the internal design of an intake can wildly alter the path of the airflow.

Travis
COBB Tuning

 

[BoostedSpd6]

thats pretty cool i never thought that for instance the AEM and MSCAI for the MS6 would be any different because they are basically the same design..(2thumbs)

 

[mazdaspeed32007]

We have found this to be not true. All intakes are VERY DIFFERENT. They LOOK the same, but their design elements all vary slightly and this changes how they perform by quite a bit. Remember, the area of air flow that we are measuring is about the size of your pinky nail and slight alterations in the internal design of an intake can wildly alter the path of the airflow.

Travis
COBB Tuning

well then....i stand corrected. im sure you know more about one intake from the next from all the tuning and such. i bow out. lol. thanks for the info.

trav doesnt the air straightener correct those minor differences each intake has by correcting the airflow? wouldnt that take out the differences from one intake to the next?

 

[COBB Tuning]

The two intakes that are the same are the MSCAI and the AEM CAI because they are the exact same part. AEM produced the MSCAI. The testing done on these two intakes used the air-straightener, that is why you have to use the air straightener on both so that they behave the same way as the intakes tested. If you don't use the straightener, you are altering the way the intake behaves which is inappropriate for that calibration. Make sense?

Travis
COBB Tuning

 

[240ka]

travis, i ijust purchased a MS6 AP. how do i go about updating the firmware to Ms3 firmware. and how do i get the ATR software.

oh yeah. with my mods listed below. which stage 1 93map should i use.

the Stage1+SF 93 Octane?

 

[mazdaspeed32007]

travis, i ijust purchased a MS6 AP. how do i go about updating the firmware to Ms3 firmware. and how do i get the ATR software.

oh yeah. with my mods listed below. which stage 1 93map should i use.

the Stage1+SF 93 Octane?

I think you need to purchase the AP vehicle specific. If you bought an MS6 AP you would have to have it sent back for recalibration....or get an MS3 one....i think.

 

[240ka]

nah, travis or one of the others posted in a thread that the firmware just needs to be changed but they are interchangable between both platforms