motor mounts

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

WAAAAHHH!!!!!
I may never get to experience a real motor mount upgrade. The shipment I was griping about last month was marked as shipped last week and still hasn`t shown up. While that mess was (theoretically) being sorted out by my wife, I got fed up and sent an e-mail to Medieval asking if they had any of theirs in stock and never got a reply. One company doesn`t want my money at all, and the other will take it but can`t actually deliver the damn part.

 

[Sport6]

WAAAAHHH!!!!!
I may never get to experience a real motor mount upgrade. The shipment I was griping about last month was marked as shipped last week and still hasn`t shown up. While that mess was (theoretically) being sorted out by my wife, I got fed up and sent an e-mail to Medieval asking if they had any of theirs in stock and never got a reply. One company doesn`t want my money at all, and the other will take it but can`t actually deliver the damn part.

I haven't had a problem with them, even after the 1st revision (2piece) needed to be replaced.

Did you order through Darkstar or directly through Medieval?

 

[GoFast]

WAAAAHHH!!!!!
I may never get to experience a real motor mount upgrade. The shipment I was griping about last month was marked as shipped last week and still hasn`t shown up. While that mess was (theoretically) being sorted out by my wife, I got fed up and sent an e-mail to Medieval asking if they had any of theirs in stock and never got a reply. One company doesn`t want my money at all, and the other will take it but can`t actually deliver the damn part.

you want my TRZ delrin? It only has a couple thousand on it....

 

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

I haven't had a problem with them, even after the 1st revision (2piece) needed to be replaced.

Did you order through Darkstar or directly through Medieval?

I`ve been waiting for what seems like forever for a mount to come from a popular vendor here (the mount was backordered). While I was waiting for the part to come in, I got frustrated and sent an e-mail to Medieval making inquiries, with the thought that if the original order (a different manufacturer) was going to take too long, I would try theirs instead. I never heard back from them, so I have never placed an order with them. The part I originally ordered will get here eventually, I just hope I`m still young enough to handle the car when it does.
Basically I was just venting frustration. I`m not really looking for help, but I appreciate the thought. I kind of hoped the "Waaahhh!!!" at the beginning would make it obvious that was the case.

 

[prmspen]

Motor mount won't solve all your problems. I have Corksport inserts and TWM shifter bushings, and I still occasionally grind from first to second, especially in cold weather. But it's worth it for the reduced lash under acceleration, and the more defined shifting.

 

[ReNaToMS3]

I'll probably get either the TRZ rear mount or the CP-E, together with TWM shifter bushings and redline MT-90 flush. Seems like a good combo from doing a search.

 

[ericrapp]

I do

you want my TRZ delrin? It only has a couple thousand on it....

if you decide to sell i am in the market right now to upgrade fromm CS inserts. Pm if you like.

 

[clos561]

trz delrin is the best mount for this car.

I have it and i get zero wheel hop and the car feels solid as **** when i get on it.

 

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

solid as **** when i get on it.

Interesting. I usually prefer strong but supple movement when indulging in that activity.

Thinking of which, I just got an e-mail from my better half. My mount finally showed up today. With a little luck I`ll get it installed this weekend. She seems to have an awful lot scheduled for us already.
Sunday afternoon if the weather holds. A fresh set of plugs, new mount, tighten up some loose stuff clunking in the back of the car and go find some back roads.
I wonder if I can find that guy in the 350Z again...

 

[MaikuMS3]

How come Mazda didnt deal with the "gap" or "soft" spot in the rear motor mount and long shifting/crappy bushings? it seems like almost EVERYONE upgrade their car to have those mods and im pretty sure Mazda knows the problems. I am not saying it is a defect(?) from the design but since many people are complaining about this and spend extra money to replace the defect. Maybe they should redesign this part? (maybe they did in 2010?)

just my thought...

 

[Sergius64]

How come Mazda didnt deal with the "gap" or "soft" spot in the rear motor mount and long shifting/crappy bushings? it seems like almost EVERYONE upgrade their car to have those mods and im pretty sure Mazda knows the problems. I am not saying it is a defect(?) from the design but since many people are complaining about this and spend extra money to replace the defect. Maybe they should redesign this part? (maybe they did in 2010?)

just my thought...

There's always going to be a weak link somewhere that everyone will be complaining about, in our car it seems to be the mounts.

 

[Design]

Has anyone had their car warranty voided for having an aftermarket motor mount?

A few people posted that they've had complications getting a claim approved. It doesn't void your entire warranty, but Mazda will not be inclined to fix anything remotely related to the reduced shock absorption of the aftermarket mount. First thing that comes to mind would be any new rattles.

I agree with Antonio that the stock mounts are adequate for a DD. If you race stoplight to stoplight, upgraded MM's will improve traction and shift precision due to reduced transmission movement. Regardless, some shifts will remain challenging due to a fairly stiff 5-6 return spring. The palm technique can overcome many of the issues other members have mentioned with the exception of colder climates. I am working on a video to illustrate this, as I think it could benefit many members.

 

[ericrapp]

How come Mazda didnt deal with the "gap" or "soft" spot in the rear motor mount and long shifting/crappy bushings? it seems like almost EVERYONE upgrade their car to have those mods and im pretty sure Mazda knows the problems. I am not saying it is a defect(?) from the design but since many people are complaining about this and spend extra money to replace the defect. Maybe they should redesign this part? (maybe they did in 2010?)

just my thought...

I was explaining this very point to one of my daughters. From factory they will always land on the comfort, smoothness and quiet side of the fence. But that in turn gives us things to modify. Which i enjoy. Keep in mind that a fair amount of folks have said they would want a stiffer mount but not sure about the vibrations. I prefer my car on the gnarly side.

 

[Antonio DiMarco]

One of things I love about the MS3

I was explaining this very point to one of my daughters. From factory they will always land on the comfort, smoothness and quiet side of the fence. But that in turn gives us things to modify. Which i enjoy. Keep in mind that a fair amount of folks have said they would want a stiffer mount but not sure about the vibrations. I prefer my car on the gnarly side.

Is that it's an extremely liveable daily driver despite the high performance. I think a lot of people don't realize that designing and building a product always involves compromise of some detail or material for a product that appeals to a wider audience. If Mazda built the MS3 with stronger mounts or a larger turbo then it would undoubtedly alienate people like myself who may love blasting around periodically but also need a liveable and reliable daily driver. I would never purchase a car that was purely performance and uncomfortable to live with unless I had money to have both a DD and a fun balls to the walls car.

What irritates me is that you get some people on these forums blasting Mazda for building soft mounts or not offering an easy means of modification. If Mazda did that then they would reduce the number of possible customers and be faced with a more expensive car- which they would be unable to sell.

Many of these people have no idea what is involved with designing and building a marketable product at a price point and with high levels of quality.

Based on the number of Mazdas I've seen over the last couple of years and the wide variety of age groups and genders driving them I think Mazda has done an incredible job building products that offer compelling designs, fun and affordability.

No other car maker I know of right now builds such a well-rounded and affordable product. Honda and Toyota are one-trick ponies, while Nissan is a bit bland. Hyundai is however appears to be doing some nice work with the Genesis designs.

 

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

What irritates me is that you get some people on these forums blasting Mazda for building soft mounts

Agreed, the car as sold has to appeal to a broad market cross section.

What irritates me is that you get some people on these forums blasting Mazda for not offering an easy means of modification.

Completely disagree. How does making it easy to modify to your personal tastes hinder sales to people who are happy to leave it exactly as they drove off the lot? This is the one place where they completely missed the boat. Personalization/customization is a big deal for a significant number of people.

 

[Antonio DiMarco]

The problem with mods...

Agreed, the car as sold has to appeal to a broad market cross section.




Completely disagree. How does making it easy to modify to your personal tastes hinder sales to people who are happy to leave it exactly as they drove off the lot? This is the one place where they completely missed the boat. Personalization/customization is a big deal for a significant number of people.

Is that it can compromise the reliability of the original design and lead to complicated warranty issues. If Mazda built their cars to handle the variability of all possible mods then the car would be more expensive to build and test. By restricting the design parameters they reduce cost.

I know some people may think that a motor mount is a innocuous mod but from an engineering perspective and a warranty perspective it adds variability that complicates the company's warranty committment.

Why do you think consumer products have those stickers that warn of "non-user serviceable parts" or "warranty void if removed"?

These approaches are all meant to reduce the number of variables and limit the liability of manufacturers. If manufacturers didn't take these steps then they would undoubtedly loose their shirts on claims driven by the vast number of people who have no idea what their doing when they open a product to "fix it". For example sensitive electronics are extremely suseptible to ESD (Electro-static dscharge) and I doubt most people know what steps to take to prevent 18,000 volts of static taking out the processor that drives most products these days.

I'll qualify my statement by saying that their ARE people who do know what their doing but I think the numbers are small compared to the number of unskilled modders out there. Believe me when I say I've seen some of their handy work and wouldn't want to be the one warrantying the product if faced with some of the hack jobs out there.

This is also another reason why Mazda offers their own line of Mazdaspeed performance mods- because they can control the quality of those parts. Although even in those cases there are issues. For instance the lack of carb certification on the CAI. Imagine what would happen if Mazda had to track the quality of EVERY CAI on the market. It would be cost prohibitive or our Speeds would end up costing $10,000 more.

 

[coondogg]

I'm on the verge now of upgrading all three of my mounts. I have been running a corksport insert and a ETD for a while. Here the ETD is not class legal in SCCA so I gotta change it out anyways. For me I could care less about noise and vibes even though the car is my DD, lol...

 

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

This is also another reason why Mazda offers their own line of Mazdaspeed performance mods- because they can control the quality of those parts.

...and because the harder it is to mod except by buying their performance parts, the more likely that you will buy their parts, which increases their profits.

This isn`t to say that what you said doesn`t have some validity, but the bottom line is the bottom line.

 

[ericrapp]

On the same but different subject, it is nice to see the performance parts offered by Mazdaspeed. I of course wish they would expand the line offered to us. Moreso now. Alot of folks have expired warranties who bought the 07. this is the right time for Mazda to offer more racing pieces. Ford has really gone to town on this and should be applauded for the wide range of upgrades available on the more recent Mustangs. Heck you can buy track only full race car from them for both road course and the 1/4 milers. And everything in between. It's a little apples to oranges i suppose. But i am jealous of the Ms having so many choices.

 

[ericrapp]

mounts

I'm on the verge now of upgrading all three of my mounts. I have been running a corksport insert and a ETD for a while. Here the ETD is not class legal in SCCA so I gotta change it out anyways. For me I could care less about noise and vibes even though the car is my DD, lol...

I agree on the noise/vibe issue as dd. Just today, a good lady friend of mine was riding in the back and she commenting why is it so rough back here. I just smiled and said it must this country road. She is also one who will not let me drive even a little fast. My question is what is this ETD mount and also what are the rules in your class for the mounts. Thanks sorry never heard i do not think. I might have some other questions about the class rules if you do not mind a pm