Screw The Msp

[Laser Blue]

Why did you buy the MSP in the 1st place? I mean you know a lot about the car and it's problems, and it's limits. So then why would you buy a car try to mod it and go well over it's limits and then complain about it? I bought mine cause of the way they looked, drove, and felt. I knew it wouldn't be the fastest, but I didn't care and I'm not about to complain about it. The MSP has it's limit, know it, mind it, like it, and there shouldn't be any issues.
my $.02

ya no joke man, im with you on this one

with all do respect to you. whats wrong with 215whp on this car? it already handles better then 95% of all other FWD cars, it feels way faster than it is, turns most heads, and is a blast in the pants when driven right. If you want to make mid 300hp for cheap go buy an Srt-4. They can make it easily, but good luck feeling at home in its tacky interior, don't expect exceptional handling, and im sorry you have to look at it every night when you park it. The MSP is great for what it does. If done correctly and not overdone, it is a reliable and extremely fun DD.. but that's all it was really meant to be..

 

[43975]

Our turbo's are rebuildable, with the internals from a GT28RS none the less!!! One of our vendors will be offering this service the the near future once my borrowed turbo get's returned from this service.
I see you like dealing with Ken already...great.....(wink)

 

[MSpeedFreak03]

the major problem im facing is the fact that i have to have the car running in less than 2 weeks and not a dam thing has gone right, some of the aftermarket vendors products are overpriced pieces of s***... like the SLS side mm and the MAM FMIC i got (used) and the thind dosent fit the car very well at all... i have had to do alot of custom s*** to get this car were it is now and im thinking to my self was it worth it..... **** no it was a waste of money IMHO... i have done my research and i know what it takes to get 300+whp and its ******* rediculous and i ask myself why.... because the MSP isnt made for turbo IMHO... they ****** up buy turboing a POS to begin with and to top that they didnt change a whole lot when the made the jump from MP3 to MSP that sucks. the car looks good though but it looks good when you pass it in a faster easier to build car!!!

this was my old car: http://www.cardomain.com/id/NISMONIAN

 

[43975]

Mine is pretty quick with much more in store and have had a ton of issue as well. I can't say enough how much the guys at PG have helped me get this thing right. I also bought a used MAM FMIC set-up but it was without an intercooler. I had to do some cutting but it worked out. Had I gone with a longer core with offset in/out holes, I think I could have gotten away with no cutting. I wanted the smaller core to reduce lag though.

 

[Ricktalife]

this was my old car: http://www.cardomain.com/id/NISMONIAN

yea....i was gonna buy the nismo exhaust for my 04 spec until i realized it gave you a whole 4 hp and cost about 500 bucks. and you're complaining about power in our cars?

 

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

Im not calling you a liar but im really not understanding how you hit 14.8 in a bone stock 03 spec-v. A buddy of mine had an 02 spec-v that ended up having an 03 engine and 04 transmission under warranty due to the synchros going out and the stock engine sucking the cats into the head. Best he could ever pull out of the car was a 15.1 stock.

But like its already been said, you are talking about a 2.5L variable valve timing 175hp n/a motor vs a 2.0L without vvt at a weak 6 psi and running 170hp. Both cars run very close to each other in a drag race, however i find the gearing on the spec-v to be way to short and would prefer a 5 speed in it anyday but thats personal preference. And as for it handling as well? I would never say that, solid rear axle in a fwd sucks, point blank.

As for the power handling, i ran 10psi on the stock block, stock smic. I had a turbo xs mbc, turbo xs racing bpv, catless midpipe and an injen cai, all on bad oklahoma 91 octane pump gas, never had a motor issue or turbo issue. Id be willing to bet the previous owner probably ran your turbo into the ground by not changing the oil frequently enough and prolly ragged on the car on a daily basis and never let the turbo idle before shutting it off.


Point being, as many times as i've wanted to burn this car to the ground myself, you have two options. Finish the build and have a fast, good looking, amazing handling car that only 2750 people on the entire planet have. Or, part it out, sell it, and buy another spec-v.

 

[haze20]

These threads always make me LOL. I've gone nearly 2.5 years, nearly 20k miles, at 10 psi and ~210 whp and I'm still running fine - and my motor wasn't even turbo'd to start with! Like everyone has said, you should have done your research from the start. Either drop another $1000 on a GT28RS or sell the damn thing and quit your bitching. Just wait until your tranny blows at 300 whp! It's not like it's ******* rocket science, built lower end, worked head, cams, larger turbo, ugraded tranny and you can hit 400 whp easily. The only caveat is that'll all run you nearly $10k, but had you done your research you'd have known that.

I have been at 10psi for 80k and the only problem I have had is a cracked mani. Maybe my car just likes me.

 

[MSP2k3]

I have been at 10psi for 80k and the only problem I have had is a cracked mani. Maybe my car just likes me.

I know you have said it before.. but you do not beat on your car. That is the key, some days my MSP won't even see more than 3 psi to and from work. I can count on one hand the number of times i have launched it and i rarely beat on it. You can have a completely stock MSP and drive the s*** out of it and have more problems than someone at 10psi who drives it easy.

 

[haze20]

I get on the car just not everyday. The car has been on the dyno countless times at dyno days and other occasions. When I get my standalone I will start pushing the psi up further on the car. I make about 200whp and 200wtq with just the vibrant exhaust. I want to see how far I can push it stock.

 

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

I know you have said it before.. but you do not beat on your car. That is the key, some days my MSP won't even see more than 3 psi to and from work. I can count on one hand the number of times i have launched it and i rarely beat on it. You can have a completely stock MSP and drive the s*** out of it and have more problems than someone at 10psi who drives it easy.

I drive the crap out of mine, it gets launched at the track all the time at almost 5500rpm. And really for as much as abuse as ive put this car through, its taken it like a champ. the 2nd differential (stock) lasted almost 40,000 miles with my driving it hard. I just now changed the clutch out when i put the 3rd diff in it (welded) and thats only because i didnt feel like pulling the trans out again, the stock clutch with 79k on it had plenty of meat left.

 

[dodgetech81]

the major problem im facing is the fact that i have to have the car running in less than 2 weeks and not a dam thing has gone right, some of the aftermarket vendors products are overpriced pieces of s***... like the SLS side mm and the MAM FMIC i got (used) and the thind dosent fit the car very well at all... i have had to do alot of custom s*** to get this car were it is now and im thinking to my self was it worth it..... **** no it was a waste of money IMHO... i have done my research and i know what it takes to get 300+whp and its ******* rediculous and i ask myself why.... because the MSP isnt made for turbo IMHO... they ****** up buy turboing a POS to begin with and to top that they didnt change a whole lot when the made the jump from MP3 to MSP that sucks. the car looks good though but it looks good when you pass it in a faster easier to build car!!!

this was my old car: http://www.cardomain.com/id/NISMONIAN

sounds to me like you have no buisness "building" a car.if your worried about money then wtf are you doing going forged????as far as the msp goes yes it is pricey to mod,and if you would have did research before you went and made a investment in a car you would have known that.and yes theres many cars you can buy and throw small money at and get high whp numbers.but you sacrifice in other areas.for instance my srt4 and no rear power windows there was a extra 800 bucks just to not have to crank my windows.or the completely terrible design of the control arm bushings,or the construction of interior and body parts.or the weak timing belt tensioner.or you could look at the wrx with their weak first gear that shears consistantly under agressive launches,or the fact they eat wheel bearings like no tomorow,or their VERY pricey upgrades.or even look at the wonderfull jetta with their head gasket/ball joint/electrical problems,and i wont even go as far as the nissan sentra.bassiclly if u wanna play in this game then suck it up every car has its faults and if it didnt you wouldnt be able to afford it..just my 2 cents stop crying (cryhard)

 

[MSpeedFreak03]

well people im almost done with the build and all i can say is it had better been worth it, so i dont completely feel like i wasted alot of money... also im going to attribute some of my fustration with this car due to lack of things being followed with or on regaurding some people/vendors (no names), i hate when people say they are going to do something and they dont follow through but thats life just roll with the punches i guess, time lines are a MOFO... as for this thread i havent been this dissapointed regaurding a car i have owned ever i just hope the fustration and time effort and energy paid off, time will tell!

 

[chuyler1]

I feel as if I've been hearing this same sob story for the last 6 years.

 

[Bad Company]

I have been at 10psi for 80k and the only problem I have had is a cracked mani. Maybe my car just likes me.

You run 10psi on stock internals? Stock tuning? How do you do this!? I need to know.

 

[MSpeedFreak03]

yeah no s***^

 

[SeR_Cyclops]

My dad is a car dealer who has owned many SER and spec-v sentras and everytime somthing goes wrong with one and we take it to our dodge and nissan mechanic he is always talking about how he just changed a motor or a tranny in a spec-v that week, lol he says everytime they come in at the dealer the mechanics try to keep from working on it untill the lot makes a mechanic work on it. he said they are the biggest POS car he has ever seen in his entire life.

also just remember building the car might be flusterating, i understand that but give her time and even if you only make 250ish hp. that is still a 13 second car in the 1/4 mile. so just relax and chill.

and just remember the car will treat you how you treat the car.

 

[NCZ13]

Dj, ill make it simple for you.

give me your built engine, and ill be happy to hand over my engine at not cost to you. Its even got a brand new valve cover gasket.

 

[ND4MSP]

part out your car. stop whining. and bitching. you fail.. go get a spec V and you lose.

No s*** huh. IMO less is more with these cars. I plan on a little exhaust work, hard pipes, water/ meth injection, fcd, and a wideband. I've got some exhaust work done and the wideband covered. I had a afc and sold it before installing it because I didn't feel like dealing with the possible headaches. It won't be properly tuned, but I know its limitations and it will be way more fun at 200 horsepower than most cars with 50+ more. Unfortunatley cars like the EVO and SRT4 came out in the US around the same time and are the benchmark. If your going to start a build on any car, you may encounter some obsticles.

I'm not trying to take anything away from those that do have built msp's. Kudo's to them. Do it right and be patient. I don't rule out the possibility myself. I'll be tripping 100k on the odo this week. I see myself giving this car to my son in 13 years. So it most definately will be on a second block/tranny.

 

[ND4MSP]

A stock Spec V is like driving a marshmellow btw,lol. Can't speak for the new ones though. A friend of mine has a red one, and the body style is growing on me.

 

[ForceFed]

MSP....
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