Kain on the COBB

[CWPspeed3]

I have the trz poly and I love it, made the car much more responsive. Then the shifter bushings improved shifting and now I'm starting to get into some power mods.

 

[mrjoshyman]

yeah, i just installed the SU motor mount and I've also got the shifter bushers. Both installs really easy. The combo made such a difference. I went with the SU MM b/c I didn't want excessive vibrations but with the SU mount I honestly can hardly even feel it. I'm content, but I definitely could have gone with a stiffer mount.

 

[MikeHTally]

COBB RSB went on this morning. Posted a pic for comparison with the stock bar. Went for a little drive around the block, and even pushing the car 5/10ths around the turns, I noticed a big difference. Much more neutral and confidence-inspiring, and the rear rotates quicker.

What did you use for the torque settings? I called Cobb today asking them, but I'm not real comfortable with the answer. My Ram's RSB torque specs were radically different between the axle brackets and the ends of the bar.

 

[phillyb]

my next mod has GOT to be a rear sway bar. i've heard great things about them

 

[Kain]

What did you use for the torque settings? I called Cobb today asking them, but I'm not real comfortable with the answer. My Ram's RSB torque specs were radically different between the axle brackets and the ends of the bar.

40-50 ft. lbs. with blue Loctite.

 

[arkenzo]

Just curious are you going to replace the front sway bar as well or just going to stick with the rear? Also any advantages to just doing the rear?

Adding a stiffer front sway bar is a no-no on a FWD car...I wouldn't recommend it. I'd stick with a beefier rear sway bar and call it a day.

I'd also look into some new shocks and springs, but with the mazdaspeed 3 being sort of new, the choices are weak and limited...I don't like the springs from cobb, and H&R's are too low for the stock dampers.

 

[phillyb]

Adding a stiffer front sway bar is a no-no on a FWD car...I wouldn't recommend it. I'd stick with a beefier rear sway bar and call it a day.

would you please elaborate on this?

 

[ericrapp]

Adding a stiffer front sway bar is a no-no on a FWD car...I wouldn't recommend it. I'd stick with a beefier rear sway bar and call it a day.

I'd also look into some new shocks and springs, but with the mazdaspeed 3 being sort of new, the choices are weak and limited...I don't like the springs from cobb, and H&R's are too low for the stock dampers.

What. are you sure? about front bar w/rear. The dampers are more than enough for stock and quite good for the Cobb springs, the h/r drop are too much for dampers and are really for appearance. I think you want coilovers A. But i have to question the no front bar on front wheel drive. Help me out on this .thanks

 

[arkenzo]

would you please elaborate on this?

What is there to explain? If you knew how a sway bar works, you'll understand why it isn't smart to have a beefier front rear sway bar on a FWD car.

Let me explain, the stiffer the bar, the less traction you will get when turning.......meaning you will lose traction in the front end of your car...losing traction in the front end of your car on a front wheel drive is kind of....BAD.

 

[arkenzo]

But i have to question the no front bar on front wheel drive. Help me out on this .thanks

The stiffer the bar, the less traction you will get when cornering, and not having traction or enough traction with a front rear sway bar on a front wheel drive car while cornering hard, will yield some very bad results.

That is all.

 

[ericrapp]

Well, that is not quite true. Too stiff is a problem when not mated to apprpriate dampers but keeping the car level, without a dramatic weight transition in turns is priceless. Just my experience. Less body roll is always always better to keep car planted. Rear wheel drive and front wheel drive. There is much more to this but i will just leave it respectfully, imo. And yes sir traction is everything! Understeer can be reduced and the chassis balanced.Mine is greatly improved.Thanks.

 

[phillyb]

What is there to explain? If you knew how a sway bar works, you'll understand why it isn't smart to have a beefier front rear sway bar on a FWD car.

Let me explain, the stiffer the bar, the less traction you will get when turning.......meaning you will lose traction in the front end of your car...losing traction in the front end of your car on a front wheel drive is kind of....BAD.

The stiffer the bar, the less traction you will get when cornering, and not having traction or enough traction with a front rear sway bar on a front wheel drive car while cornering hard, will yield some very bad results.

That is all.

so in turn, a rear sway bar on a rear wheel drive vehicle would also be "bad?"

 

[arkenzo]

so in turn, a rear sway bar on a rear wheel drive vehicle would also be "bad?"

Think of it this way...The front end of your car is doing alot of work...Steering....Delivering power.....and traction...it is much easier to control the rear of the car, than the front of the car.

A front sway bar will reduce traction on a FWD car under cornering, this is common knowledge and is much less desired than losing traction on the rear of your car....

Some users who have the COBB front sway bar have been saying they've had their TCS lights come on more often because of it as well...

 

[ericrapp]

Then turn the dsc off! damnit! just kiddin' kinda

 

[chaos4]

Big bar on the rear, stock on the front if you do no other suspension mods.
Stiff bar on the front tends to lift the inside front wheel, but stock bar, being softer, does not.
I ran the Hotchkis rear on soft setting last year. Great improvement in turn in response and no extra front tire spin. Oh, only about 2,000 track miles to base my opinion on.

 

[mrjoshyman]

Big bar on the rear, stock on the front if you do no other suspension mods.
Stiff bar on the front tends to lift the inside front wheel, but stock bar, being softer, does not.
I ran the Hotchkis rear on soft setting last year. Great improvement in turn in response and no extra front tire spin. Oh, only about 2,000 track miles to base my opinion on.

so say cobb stage 2 would b fine (front & rear sways + springs) ?

 

[Quiksilver05]

Im trying to debate which to get either the Cobbs or Hotchkis.
Any insight? (gossip)

 

[MikeHTally]

I put my Cobb RSB on last night. Considerable improvement in high-speed cornering. The car feels more planted. Super-easy installation, too. I torqued the clamps to 40 ft/lbs and the end links to 35 ft/lbs.

 

[arkenzo]

Im trying to debate which to get either the Cobbs or Hotchkis.
Any insight? (gossip)

Get the least expensive one, cause they're all the same shiznit(braindead

 

[UHATEIT]

Get the least expensive one, cause they're all the same shiznit(braindead

prices anyone? If I put on springs, will a rear sway be enough?