Mazdaspeed6 Blown Engine (Update)

briangmr

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Looks like my previous thread was closed, but I wanted to update everyone on what's going on with my blown engine. Took the car to an independent dealer and they quickly established that this wasn't a lower end failure like Mazda claimed. Holes were through the side and upper portions of the block; pan was intact. We just pulled the head today and the bottom half of the rod is still connected to the crankshaft and rotates smoothly and freely. The head is in good shape, but the exhaust valves are stuck slightly open (damaged by flying piston bits?). Out of the debris that we pulled out of the cylinder we saw two large pieces of the piston (a left and right half). I can't say exactly what happened without a complete failure analysis, but from the way the separated surfaces appear (grainy on the surfaces that weren't subsequently impacted by debris) it looks like the piston failed at the wrist pin. This would have allowed the piston to flop about in the cylinder and wedge between the rod and cylinder causing it to fail as well. Of course the rod could have failed first, but I doubt it based on how I drive the car (I don't wring it out) and what was going on at the time (lugging 5th at 55 mph on the freeway as we started speeding up again). This failure seems to be in line with what I had originally explained to Mazda where it did it's usual "detonation" like stutter which would have placed tremendous stress on the thin, aluminum piston. However, when it did it this time it was a lot louder than it had been ever before and the failure occurred immediately after I started to roll back into the throttle.

So long story short, I've contacted the Mazda dealership and told them that this wasn't a lower end failure like they thought and from the condition of the piston it does not appear to be oiling related (no overtemp discoloration). So even though I'm missing a few of my oil change receipts, hopefully they will be reasonable in how they handle this from here on out. I just wish they wouldn't have jumped to conclusions in the beginning and forced me to pay for all of this work (along with the purchase of a $4,000 junkyard engine).

Stay tuned...
 
Umm..Yeah..Piston Related failure..Is in fact...Lower end failure.
 
Umm..Yeah..Piston Related failure..Is in fact...Lower end failure.

Sorry. Was referring to crankshaft to lower rod connection affected by oiling problems. Mazda claimed that 99% of all lower end failures were due to oiling issues. I don't think an exploding piston with no signs of overheating or scored pin bearing surfaces qualifies as an oiling issue, but I have been wrong before.
 
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independent dealer or nonMazda dealer that worked on your car might make your plight more difficult....
 
Should have gotten an attorney like I said. Now you have another bill from the non-mazda shop.

In the future dont post threads looking for advice if you are not going to take it. Just a friendly suggestion.
 
independent dealer or nonMazda dealer that worked on your car might make your plight more difficult....

Maybe. We specifically didn't pull the oil pan off so that nothing with the crank would be disturbed. Sounded like Mazda was going to be talking with the shop and possibly sending some of their people up there to see the engine. I actually think this may put more pressure on them to do something now that someone besides just a dumb customer with no means to really diagnose the problem has seen it. I tried to get the dealer to do this on many occasions, but they refused stating that Mazda would not reimburse them if they denied the warranty claim (which Mazda had already said they would do). I didn't want to fork out $14,000 for a new engine, so I was forced to go to an independent shop with the plan of installing a used one. All the dealer did was look at the oil and send it out for analysis. I needed more than this to prove that this wasn't oiling related as Mazda claimed.
 
Should have gotten an attorney like I said. Now you have another bill from the non-mazda shop.

In the future dont post threads looking for advice if you are not going to take it. Just a friendly suggestion.

"Killer"

Please don't kill this post like you did my previous one as I would like to share my findings with how the dealership and Mazda work with me. There may be some useful nuggets in it for others that are in a similar situation or people looking to purchase an MS6.

Thanks.
 
Meh. I am much older than you and have been modding cars for years and dealing with warranty issues. I am sorry you got hammered...I just tried to help. Not ment to be negative...just feel that I could have saved you alot of money and discomfort. I am sorry if that hurts your feelings.
 
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Meh. I am much older than you and have been modding cars for years and dealing with warranty issues. I am sorry you got hammered...I just tried to help. Not ment to be negative...just feel that I could have saved you alot of money and discomfort. I am sorry if that hurts your feelings.

I appreciate the feedback from you and everyone else that posted to my original thread. It's good to have resources like this where knowledgeable people like you are willing to help others. Just wish I would have found this site before I bought the car!

It's hard to hurt my feelings. My skin is as thick as my head.
 
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