new product development inquiry

ok, here is an update. i talked to phong at eibach R&D today and he confirmed they are working on something. i have contacted the two members in this thread who mentioned they live near corona would be willing to help on the R&D end.

stay tuned!
 
This can probably be marketed towards the Mazda3 owners as well. I'm sure there are a few out there that would want to opt for a slightly stiffer MS3 Pro-kit versus the normal 3 Pro-kit.

100 should be no problem.
 
Eibach has reported a few things to me. the first is that they are indeed responsible for the Mazdaspeed option springs for the 3, but this was pretty obvious. They didn't do an option spring for the MS3 because Mazda was pretty insistent that it was ideal from the factory. You and i both know that even the nice handling box stock ms3 could stand for some improvement in the suspension department, if anything, at the bare minimum it could use a 1-1.2" drop on all four corners.

From my viewpoint, with a background in racing for 20 plus years, the stock MazdaSpeed spring setup is already pretty optimal. I understand everyone wants to lower their cars, but frankly, I bottom mine now .. with a lowered car you will be either A. driving slow, or B. bottoming out a lot more.

Strickly from a performance standpoint (not looks) I would spend some time valving the shocks with more progressive bump valving to eliminate bottoming, and less rebound in the front to further minimize wheelspin. That kind of stuff probably sounds pretty boring though ..
 
From my viewpoint, with a background in racing for 20 plus years, the stock MazdaSpeed spring setup is already pretty optimal. I understand everyone wants to lower their cars, but frankly, I bottom mine now .. with a lowered car you will be either A. driving slow, or B. bottoming out a lot more.

Strickly from a performance standpoint (not looks) I would spend some time valving the shocks with more progressive bump valving to eliminate bottoming, and less rebound in the front to further minimize wheelspin. That kind of stuff probably sounds pretty boring though ..

I was hoping a higher spring rate would help wheel spin by reduced the weight transfer to the rear under hard accelerations.
 
I'd like to see either an adjustable coilover setup, or some sort of mild upgrade that just drops it a tiny bit and offers a bit more firmness than stock. Something along the lines of the Mazdaspeed stuff but less expensive. The adjustable would be killer for guys who want to track the car AND drive it every day.
 
i live in corona and called them today about offering my car for R&D but no one got back to me :-(
 
From my viewpoint, with a background in racing for 20 plus years, the stock MazdaSpeed spring setup is already pretty optimal. I understand everyone wants to lower their cars, but frankly, I bottom mine now .. with a lowered car you will be either A. driving slow, or B. bottoming out a lot more.

Strickly from a performance standpoint (not looks) I would spend some time valving the shocks with more progressive bump valving to eliminate bottoming, and less rebound in the front to further minimize wheelspin. That kind of stuff probably sounds pretty boring though ..

eibach does track testing on all enthusiast vehicle releases (evo, sti, this car, etc). if it (the pro-kit) doesn't improve overall performance vs. stock, it won't be released. that is one reason the release of this will take some time once things move along.

keep in mind a lowered vehicle effects so many things, including many times an increase in gas mileage, decrease in braking distances, etc etc. the enhanced appearance goes without saying. i feel that the pro-kit i have installed on my ms3 makes the car look absolutely ideal, as does anyone else who has seen it, esp side by side vs. a stock ms3.

if you are bottoming out the suspension now on a regular basis (which is...odd), then a dialed increase in rate with a slight lowering using a progressive spring should not be any worse. you say "background in racing of 20 years plus". i'd say the average driver of these cars is driving the way you are when you are bottoming out your suspension, <1% of the time out of their entire time in the car, if that. you are not the norm whatsoever. you are a much much more aggressive driver than most and probably ARE in need of an increase in rate AND some sort of aggressive valving change in concert. Mazda had to compromise to cater to the broad cross-section of the niche (there's an oxymoron!) of people who would buy the car by making it lower than a stock 3, with a slight increase in rate and associated valving adjustments to firm up the ride and up the performance, but not make people complain about it being too low and/or too stiff. they figured people who think it's too high, as usual, can lower the car if the choose, but if it's too low out of the box and people are hitting things and feeling like they are in an STi, it, in there eyes, would be one more reason why people would choose another car in this range instead of this one.
 
i have to ask the question- are you sure the mazdaspeed springs are 30% stiffer than the stock mazdaspeed3 springs? i have been under the impression since initially reading the mazdaspeed literature and checking out their booth at SEMA that the springs are 30% stiffer than the non-MS versions...

Not to change subjects, but is this true?
 
i wont ever buy any springs but eibachs, but i want a sportline kit for the ms3 (sad2)

do you think the sportline kit for the regular 3 would be risky on the ms3?
 
if you are bottoming out the suspension now on a regular basis (which is...odd), then a dialed increase in rate with a slight lowering using a progressive spring should not be any worse. you say "background in racing of 20 years plus". i'd say the average driver of these cars is driving the way you are when you are bottoming out your suspension, <1% of the time out of their entire time in the car, if that. you are not the norm whatsoever. you are a much much more aggressive driver than most and probably ARE in need of an increase in rate AND some sort of aggressive valving change in concert.

Yes, sometimes I'm a bit of an aggressive driver, but that's why I bought the Speed. Want to bottom your car? Put 4 people in it .. or drive on bumpy streets, which we have plenty of. If I'm by myself on smooth roads, no problem, even though that's when I'm most aggressive. So, two ways to fix it .. though springs a t it, and progressive springs are one choice as long as you don't go soft, but instead go stiffer as the load increases. But that has some downsides such as wheel patter, wheelspin, and reduced braking especially on bumpy surfaces. Shocks offer up a better option because you can adjust stiffness in accordance to the suspension speed rather than ride height. That was my point. If you truly want better street performance lowering won't give it to you .. though as you mention it looks cool .. no doubt about that. The increased gas mileage from lowering was cute (jerkit)

If anyone out there really wants to improve handling, check out a performance alignment first. But that won't look cool.
 
I would be on for a set as well, I have them on my current car (94 Mazda mx6 with eibach pro springs and tokico illumina struts) and the ride is great, so I'm very interested in these for my new car ( ordered mid febuary 2008.5 mazdaspeed 3)
 
I may be interested too. I've always heard great things about Eibach springs...any pricing info yet?
 
The increased gas mileage from lowering was cute (jerkit)

it's true. eibach did a series of scientific tests on an '08 accord and a new f-150, both lowered vs. stock height, no other mods. the test was conducted by a world-renowned firm who specializes in these types of studies. they found that lowered vs. not produced an average gain of 3 mpg, mainly from reduced drag. This study was done to run an ad in the major automotive publications, NOT enthusiast publications, in an effort to show the layman how lowering a car does more than improve looks.

but, to reply to the rest of your post, like i mentioned before, if performance is hampered during their track testing, and nothing can be done with lowering springs to improve the overall driving experience, they will not be issued as a stand-alone kit. for enthusiast vehicles this is standard procedure, so, let's just stay tuned and see what happens before you issue any more final decisions on what works and what doesn't with this car.
 
the mazdaspeed option springs are indeed 30% stiffer than the OE mazda 3 springs. eibach developed these...

the mazdaspeed option springs are SOFTER than the OE MS3 springs!

Can SwampAss or anyone with the MS Lowering Springs please vouch for this. I am thinking about pulling the trigger on these but if they are softer than our stock springs then I dont think I will bother.

Keep us postedd on Eibach though. I have personally never owned anything but Bilstein but I am considering this given all the good reviews.
 
Can SwampAss or anyone with the MS Lowering Springs please vouch for this. I am thinking about pulling the trigger on these but if they are softer than our stock springs then I dont think I will bother.

Keep us postedd on Eibach though. I have personally never owned anything but Bilstein but I am considering this given all the good reviews.

the rate difference between the option springs and the OE ms3 springs is very slight, but the fronts are softer on the option springs because they were actually meant for the regular 3. i will see if i can find out add'l info from eibach because they developed these for mazdaspeed! I am running the pro-kit from eibach on my car and i can tell that they are a hair softer than my stock ms3 springs, so i will further verify that info about the mazdaspeed option units.
 
it's true. eibach did a series of scientific tests on an '08 accord and a new f-150, both lowered vs. stock height, no other mods. the test was conducted by a world-renowned firm who specializes in these types of studies. they found that lowered vs. not produced an average gain of 3 mpg, mainly from reduced drag.

Funny .. I have an F-150 and the 2wd vs 4 wd mileage is only 1 mpg different, despite the massive ride height difference beteen the two, even though the 4wd has to lung around the extra weight and the drive resistance of the transfer case. I would so love to get 3 mpg more out of my F-150. How low did you go and do you have some real data on this?
 
Funny .. I have an F-150 and the 2wd vs 4 wd mileage is only 1 mpg different, despite the massive ride height difference beteen the two, even though the 4wd has to lung around the extra weight and the drive resistance of the transfer case. I would so love to get 3 mpg more out of my F-150. How low did you go and do you have some real data on this?

PM me your email address. I can send the car data over; the truck tests were completed but i have to ring some bells to get that documentation...
 
the rate difference between the option springs and the OE ms3 springs is very slight, but the fronts are softer on the option springs because they were actually meant for the regular 3. i will see if i can find out add'l info from eibach because they developed these for mazdaspeed! I am running the pro-kit from eibach on my car and i can tell that they are a hair softer than my stock ms3 springs, so i will further verify that info about the mazdaspeed option units.


Are you sure about this? According to my Mazdaspeed Accessory catalog, there are two Mazdaspeed Spring Kits, one for the Mazda3 and another for Mazdaspeed 3; each with different part numbers.

OK, here they are:

Mazda3:
-Coilover Kit = RAMS-8M-L05
-Spring Kit = GRMS-8M-L05

Mazdaspeed 3:
-Coilover Kit = RAMS-8M-L10
-Spring Kit = GRMS-8M-L25

According the Mazdaspeed, the MS3 kit is 30% stiffer than the stock MS3 springs. I've read a few threads confirming this.
 
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