Racing Cosmic Blue Mazdaspeed 3 nailed by Hummer and kills both in Mazda.

[Bravnik]

so my internet crashed.... probably a good thing cuz it gave me a chance to calm down and not go off on you like I should. I figure you to be about 10 to 15 years older than me. That puts in the range of class of '81 to '86. Here are some of the top of the line cars available to teenagers back then. Whether your parents let you have one or not is another story:

1981 Camaro Z-28: 350 V8 175 bhp @ 4000 rpm, 275 lb-ft @ 2400 rpm.
1985 Mustang 5.0: 4V-302 V8 GT (T-5) 210 HP @ 4400 RPM 270 ft/lbs. @ 3200 RPM
1983 Trans Am: OHV V-8 305/5.0 190@4800 240@3200 4 bbl

Please do not bs these kids with their top of the line mazda 3's with a turbo. The ft-lbs are all the same. The higher HP is directly proportional to the higher rpm's now-a-days.

And do not attempt to attack me personally. It only vindicates my point of view. Don't use the word responsible either. I hate that word

LOL - Those cars would not stand a chance today with the MS3. What are you a fool? Your Dad did the right thing by you as the more you post it only shows your ignorance.

85 Mustang GT 15.9 1/4 91 MPH
81 Camaro Z28 16.1 1/4 0-60 in 8.2 secs....WOW Power Baby!
83 Trans Am - 19.7 1/4 - Nice

The MS3 is a 13Sec 1/4 STOCK. $500 will get you 12's easy. Hell CX-7's Soccer Mom SUV might even beat them

No child should be driving a car that fast as their FIRST car. Your Dad knew this....why are you so hard headed you don't. Obviously the apple fell very far from the tree in your case.

 

[TheMAN]

Jeez, another post and nothing said. Didn't mean to make you work hard.

Are you denying the most important fact already cited that teenagers in a certain age group are more likely to get into accidents? If you are, post those facts - those are what I'm looking for.

http://www.rmiia.org/Auto/Teens/Teen_Driving_Statistics.htm

After you do that we can continue.

when I was 17, I thought the statistics were bulls*** and all the adults were just making up s*** just to keep us from driving... graduated licensing, etc... but over the years on the road seeing the amount of s*** everyone does, reading/seeing on the news that some kids died, etc, what are you going to believe after you got "aged"? the statistics are true! maybe not 100%, but it's enough to show that *most* kids do stupid s***... hell, even 21 year olds still do stupid s*** and I know that for a fact because I have some good friends who are 21-22 and the s*** they do just scares me... if you're a teen, stfu and live long enough and you'll see why they drop your insurance rates after 25.... it's no bulls***

don't argue, just listen, *most* older people know better... hell and old geezer will still tell every one of us on here what NOT to do, and we should listen!

 

[Bravnik]

If by responsible, you mean he gave me those words of advice? then yes you are correct. But as far as giving me my first car? second car? lol third car?

LOL!!!!

Let's just say (as if you couldn't tell already ) that I am the black sheep of the fam. I've had to work, cheat, steal, sweat, bleed, tear and everything else to survive this far. Perhaps you can say that my parents did do a good job because I'm still alive and am definately independently minded.

Perhaps my defense of LC is some sort of sub-conscious way of fighting the same bs that they (including you, sir) have been trying hand all of us for thousands of years. Down with the system!

By responsible I mean he purchased you a great starter car in the 85 Escort in 95. He knew better than to give any you a 240HP car to begin with. He tried to instill his values on you but its obvious that he failed. I give him props for trying though. In the end, no matter how hard we try as parents, its in the kids hand to live and learn.

If you think for one second that I don't know that the only reason you're here is to be a ass, you're wrong.

 

[Bravnik]

I'm not 17, also, child/teenager are different things.

The only differance between a Child and a Teenager is that you might have a few hairs on your balls. Mentally you're about the same.

 

[Betelgeuse]

Some pics from the crash:

 

[TheMAN]

Here’s my $.02

When i passed my motorcycle test in the UK i was still under 21. The government restricted all u21's with full motorcycle entitlement to 33hp. This meant you could still have any bike but it then had to be restricted to 33hp for 1 year- This was a direct result to kids killing themselves on fireblades and such.

With today’s cars being very quick i feel under 18's should be restricted in a similar way (16 is too young to drive anyway but thats another discussion).
Teenagers statistically do stupid things, yes they can do stupid things in a slow car too (i admit i was one of those) but the potential to cause harm/damage to themselves and others is reduced if speed is lowered.

I’m in my 30’s now and I look back, at the time I thought I was a great driver, now with hindsight I am just happy I made it. My first car had about 45bhp, it was far from a sports car but I would insist on driving it like one.

My wife is now pregnant with our first child, when he/she is 16 they are getting an old bronco. I have new found sorrow for the parents due to their loss, but I consider buying their kid a hot hatch to be a mistake.

my thoughts exactly, thank you! I'm just glad I made it through too... thinking about the crazy s*** I did before just scares me

 

[jbiird317]

well i havent read this whole thread cuz its been a ton of repetition. Lets just keep the personal insults and attacks to a minimum. No matter what your opinion is of who is to blame for this situation, this kid made a poor decision and it cost him his life. this is def a tragedy, i feel sorry for this family and the victims family, lets try and have some respect.

 

[Chris Barnett]

Not reading the entire thread, but I'll point out that a 14 second wagon isn't that fast of a car, so calling the parents irresponsible is stupid.

 

[TheMAN]

The only people I truly feel sorry for is the 12 year old and the people in the H2.

agreed

 

[CX-7owner]

The only differance between a Child and a Teenager is that you might have a few hairs on your balls. Mentally you're about the same.

Really!

Are you sure you we're a teenager?
Did you skip that entire period?
Mental states are totally different, hormones are different, body growth etc..

It's not the same, I can be someones "child", but that's under different context.

adolescent: a juvenile between the onset of puberty and maturity

A child (plural: children), has two distinct meanings: the offspring, of any age, of two people, or an individual who has not yet reached puberty, though there might be a differing legal definition (see below).

A child is someone under the age of thirteen

 

[CantCMe]

damn...

Like I said, the parents (if they bought him the car) should have NOT gave him the car. If the child still lived with the parents NO MATTER HOW THEY GOT THE CAR should NOT have allowed them to drive. They still had control over this. They crossed over a damn double line...are they required to take driving classes in North Carolina?!?!

 

[Chris Barnett]

Since when is 14 seconds flat at 100 mph not fast? Relative to 80% of the cars on the road today, that's fast. And high 13s is very doable as people have done it repeatedly. Is it the fastest thing on the road? Of course not but that doesn't mean it's not fast.

As for the CX-7, it's biggest problems are its weight and transmission. The modern slushboxes are programmed for fuel economy and ride-comfort and will suck power like a big sponge. It's just not a good candidate for modding.

80% of the cars on the roads are SUV's and minivans and broken ass economy cars. Most people have no desire for anything with power.

14 seconds isn't fast. I have a couple 11 second FWD cars, and that is just the beginning part of "fast" in my book.

Especially these kids. Their dad raced a 4 second Top Fuel dragster. They probably had access to junior dragsters as they grew up, and some of those run the 1/8 mile equivalent of mid 11's. For 10-14 year olds.

 

[TheMAN]

It's the difference in speed. A POS slow car can't accelerate that fast. Who knows the hummer might've had more time to react or slow down. Have you driven a speed3 at all esp on the highway? If you haven't, you're in for a surprise. It can accelerate to 100mph in the blink of an eye.

yeah, I remember when the ms3 first came out, I took it out for a spin as soon as it got off the truck at work.... I was doing 80 down the side street in a blink of an eye! yes I knew I was going stupid fast just by going through 2 gears, but as soon as I looked down and saw 80, I slowed the **** down.... the car scared me at what it could do so quickly... it was a beast that needed lots of restraint as well as time to learn to drive safely... needless to say, it's a car too much for a kid

 

[CantCMe]

Not reading the entire thread, but I'll point out that a 14 second wagon isn't that fast of a car, so calling the parents irresponsible is stupid.

We're not sure where they got the car, but if you felt your child was irresponsible, or kill himself in a car crash, would you buy him a MS3?

 

[icespeed]

By responsible I mean he purchased you a great starter car in the 85 Escort in 95.

He didn't buy it for me... he made darn sure that I worked for it myself. I bought that car with my own hard earned (if McD's is hard) money.

In the end, no matter how hard we try as parents, its in the kids hand to live and learn.

And, like that ancient greek guy, I've geniously gotten you to prove my point. It is not the parents fault.

If you think for one second that I don't know that the only reason you're here is to be a ass, you're wrong.

Just trying to get people to remember that we were all there once and not every kid is deserving of the stereotypes we so generously hand out.

btw, those pictures make me sick to my stomach. Those kids never had a chance.

 

[TheMAN]

so you are saying that a HEAD on collision at 70 and 70 s not as deadly as one at 80 and 80?
If in both cases someone dies, what is the difference?

how come I have a feeling you haven't taken physics class yet?

 

[Betelgeuse]

80% of the cars on the roads are SUV's and minivans and broken ass economy cars. Most people have no desire for anything with power.

14 seconds isn't fast. I have a couple 11 second FWD cars, and that is just the beginning part of "fast" in my book.

Especially these kids. Their dad raced a 4 second Top Fuel dragster. They probably had access to junior dragsters as they grew up, and some of those run the 1/8 mile equivalent of mid 11's. For 10-14 year olds.

Using your logic, 11 seconds isn't fast either... compared to top fuelers or jet cars. Hell even they're aren't fast... compared to an f-15. Even an f-15 wants nothing on the space shuttle..... It's all RELATIVE. 14s is fast relative to 16 and 17s which covers a lot of the driving public.


Also what their dad raced on a DRAGSTRIP has little to do with them being able to control a compact wagon at high speeds on the streets nor does it make them any less prone to making bad judgments. On the streets there are also people of various skills driving as well. Junior dragsters?lol, cmon man Junior dragsters go in a straight line and they're built just for that. Now if they raced on a road course or auto-crossed that would be different.

 

[RODSCALIP5]

damn...

Like I said, the parents (if they bought him the car) should have NOT gave him the car. If the child still lived with the parents NO MATTER HOW THEY GOT THE CAR should NOT have allowed them to drive. They still had control over this. They crossed over a damn double line...are they required to take driving classes in Cali?!?!

This didn't happen in California.

 

[CantCMe]

This didn't happen in California.

I stand corrected...do they take classes in North Carolina?

 

[Derek88]

I havent read all of these 15 pages, so I dont know if an argument is going on or not, but I hate to see a CB MS3 from NC has to bite the bust like that, and the family for having to go through this.

Some kids are dumb. But kids or adults, we ALL want to see what our vehicles are capable of. Some choose the wrong time and place.

I'm a kid. When I was 16, I had a good job and I wanted a "new" car. I bought (under my parents' names) a 1999 LS1 Trans Am. My parents thought this was too much power for a 16 year old and told me I could not drive it ALONE until 8 months after I bought it. During those 8 months, my garage-kept baby accrued some mods and by the time I could drive it, it had to have around 400bhp.

As a 19 year old, I bought my Speed this July under my own name this time. I get on it from time to time, but I'm not retarded.

Like I said, some kids are dumb when it comes to cars. I respect them which is reflected in my car itself and in my gas mileage.