Racing Cosmic Blue Mazdaspeed 3 nailed by Hummer and kills both in Mazda.

[lc_MS3]

Price wise it is in the same class as a GTI or Civic SI but performance wise (stock for stock) it's in a different league. It's in the 350z, mustang GT territory in terms of speed.

Having driven a Z many times I must say a Z is a more potent car. Also GTI's are still in the same class as speed3's.

Yeah, the teens put the keys in the car. Yeah, the parents bought the car. And yeah, the teens crashed. But I feel the parents shouldn't have bought them a car period.

Once again an ASSUMPTION! WE DO NOT KNOW HOW THE KID GOT THE CAR. Parents are not to blame.

Ok I will bite. Its a TRUCK. 240HP but weighs 5k lbs and is not what I would call a fast car. Sure you can race it much like you can race a base Civic. BUT you're not going to go 0-60 in under 6secs and 107 in the 1/4 in a damn truck. Use some common sense and stop trying to defend your parents who failed to use any Common Sense and purchased you a MS3.

I'm not saying anything will happen to you. You could live to be 100 for all I know. Your parents buying you a fast car is totally unnecessary and irresponsable at the age of 16 and just about every parent with any common sense in the world will agree.

And please....I didn't call you irresponsible...I called your parent irresponsable.

I will always defend my parents from a-holes like you. There might be a reason you wouldn't get you son/daughter a car like this, but it is YOUR OWN REASON. My parents have different values and are not like you. And once again my parents didn't buy me a car. I AM PAYING for most of the car. To call people irresponsible idiots on the internet is like saying your the smartest mentally challenged person.

 

[icespeed]

Ok I will say with surety that I have passed cars in situations in my ms3 that I wouldn't have attempted with my mazda 6s. The ms3 is that much quicker and instills that much confidence. The braking, handling and acceleration are excellent. Just curious, have you driven one? Or if you have, did you romp on it?

Yes I have done this like on on-ramps to the highway and such. But not in an oncoming traffic over take. Not worth it to me.

I did drive one at summerpalooza. It's a fun car, it drives a little different than my MSP does. I felt like the ass was gonna drop out in the MS3... could be psychological though. /shrug

 

[CantCMe]

The MS3 is a 13sec car in the 1/4. By todays standards its fast. $500 and your into the 12's which is even faster.

There are not too many production cars under 30k that can hit 12's. Can your Cx-7? LOL

Sorry, Soccer Mom's car all the way man.

So true...back in '91 when I was a senior in high school I had a GT Mustang and to me at the time it was fast...that car could do the 1/4 in about 15 seconds. It wouldn't stand a chance against the MS3. To me (and I'm 34) the MS3 is considered a fast car.

 

[Bravnik]

Your father is a smart man...but their are people out here that don't know the difference between a regular 3 and a Speed 3(dunno). We happen to know the difference and/or do the research before we make a purchase like that.

This is a true fact. I agree completely. I'm sure there are quite a few MS3's purchased for Kids by parents who think its just a body kit and looks cooler and their kids never mention about the HP and how fast it is and the parents never think to ask.

 

[CX-7owner]

The MS3 is a 13sec car in the 1/4. By todays standards its fast. $500 and your into the 12's which is even faster.

There are not too many production cars under 30k that can hit 12's. Can your Cx-7? LOL

Sorry, Soccer Mom's car all the way man.

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The CX-7 can barely fit someone that is 6' 4" in the back seat, and it can barely fit three in the back, it's hardly something for soccer moms, the CX-9 yeah, the CX-7, no. And stock with an average driver you're looking at 14 seconds, NOT 13, and $500 and you're into a reliable 12 second MS3??! Keep dreaming.

It's not fast, get a clue in on what fast is and come back to the board.

 

[icespeed]

Well have you thought about the fact that you might be saving yourself or a loved one? I mean if 'just let it be' is your solution then you've pretty much answered my question and have chosen a side.

lol, which is why I didn't want to get into it

alot of people have a problem with such exploited dawrinism. And I am no one to offend

 

[Betelgeuse]

Having driven a Z many times I must say a Z is a more potent car. Also GTI's are still in the same class as speed3's.

The new 350zs are a little quicker, but the old ones were about the same or little slower actually. I've raced a couple g35s and 350zs and I know for a fact I pulled on them. The GTI is NOT in the same class speed wise- that's a known. It's much closer when chipped but even then it's a little slower.

 

[Betelgeuse]

lol, which is why I didn't want to get into it

alot of people have a problem with such exploited dawrinism. And I am no one to offend

No problem, I just wanted to know where you stand that's all. It's all good

 

[icespeed]

This is a true fact. I agree completely. I'm sure there are quite a few MS3's purchased for Kids by parents who think its just a body kit and looks cooler and their kids never mention about the HP and how fast it is and the parents never think to ask.

lol the only reason i bought the msp was because I had owned a 99 protege and was comfortable with the interior. Here the MSP had nice rims, a body kit and a spoiler. When I test drove it... I liked it.

edit: So I will agree with you. My doubt with this father (from the actual thread) was strictly based on the fact that his profession is in the performance car field.

 

[CX-7owner]

But anyway, the kid was an accident waiting to happen, in anything he was driving.

Really, if it wasn't an MS3 it probably wouldn't be in the news, it's all to scare parents into not letting teenagers drive at all, whats the point in this particular story making it into the news anyway, I saw a serious accident (dead) on the 101 and it didn't make the news.

 

[CantCMe]

Once again an ASSUMPTION! WE DO NOT KNOW HOW THE KID GOT THE CAR. Parents are not to blame.

Ok...I'm assuming the parents bought the kid the car. I'll step back for a minute. If I have a 16 year old child that lives in my house that I pay the bills in, and he has enough money to pay for a $22k vehicle and pay insurance, or wins the car in some event, I still have control over that. Because if I throw his ass out of my house and he has to survive on his own best believe he's not gonna be able to afford that car UNDER NORMAL SITUATIONS. And also in none of my posts am I blaming the parents. All I said was they shouldn't have bought him the car period. They made a statement that they feared for their chids life if he drove a fast car, then they gave him the keys to a fast car. These things actually happened! And I'm still not blaming the parents for the loss of their children. I don't need to blame others to sleep well at night.

 

[lc_MS3]

But anyway, the kid was an accident waiting to happen, in anything he was driving.

Really, if it wasn't an MS3 it probably wouldn't be in the news, it's all to scare parents into not letting teenagers drive at all, whats the point in this particular story making it into the news anyway, I saw a serious accident (dead) on the 101 and it didn't make the news.

agreed. are prayers should be with the family and this thread should be locked. (locked)

 

[Rush]

The vast majority of teenagers are incapable of handling a car with more than 150hp. Please note, I said the MAJORITY -- there are always those few exceptions to every rule.

In this case, the driver of the MS3 was known to be an aggressive driver. I didn't read through every page of this thread (only up to page 7 or so), but IF the parents bought the driver the car, they have to accept responsibility for what happened. It's the equivalent of giving a developing pyromaniac a book of matches -- giving a notoriously aggressive teenage driver a 260hp car. And even if the parents DID NOT buy the MS3, they should have forbidden the purchase of it. He was under 18, and that could've been done. Having your kid pissed off and screaming and irate is better than having him dead.

As far as the whole debate of -- it's the driver, not the car .. I think it's both. IMO, if you have an aggressive driver -- he's going to try to pull a lot more s*** in a car that he KNOWS is fast, rather than in an old beater. His ego and his sense of invincibility will be even more inflated in an 'upscale' car, knowing he has that extra power, and thinking he can fall back on it when he's cutting it close while driving .. and then wham, done, the end.

It's a tragedy, but one that could've been fully avoided.

 

[TheMAN]

+1

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Ic_MS3:

The fact that you take offense to the comments here shows your immaturity.
You need to accept the fact that you're in a age-group that statistically are more likely to wreck or be killed in a fast car. Now, like I said above, there are always exceptions and you might be one of them - good for you. But the stats don't lie.

thank you! I was going to say that after seeing all the defense he was posting... maybe he's special and 1/1000000 that doesn't do any of this, but you know, I have a hard time believing those odds... statistics shows that teens do stupid s*** at the most unpredictable times... totally irrational s*** when at other given times they were totally stable... I know this for a fact because I did the same crazy s*** when I was young... I'm just glad no one got hurt and I'm just glad that I was forced to drive a slow ass car... I thank my parents for that, and I thank the people's parents here whose decided the same thing... those who was allowed to drive fast cars here in this thread at those ages were/are foolish at best.... his remarks are of a typical teenager who thinks they know what they're doing and think they know how s*** works... I know because I said the same s***... now I know better and now I know better to listen to the wisdom of my elders and stop doing stupid s***

 

[Bravnik]

Having driven a Z many times I must say a Z is a more potent car. Also GTI's are still in the same class as speed3's.



Once again an ASSUMPTION! WE DO NOT KNOW HOW THE KID GOT THE CAR. Parents are not to blame.



I will always defend my parents from a-holes like you. There might be a reason you wouldn't get you son/daughter a car like this, but it is YOUR OWN REASON. My parents have different values and are not like you. And once again my parents didn't buy me a car. I AM PAYING for most of the car. To call people irresponsible idiots on the internet is like saying your the smartest mentally challenged person.

Feel free to defend your parents as that is honerable and shows your love. We all have our on opinions. Your parents have theirs and I have mine. The differance is that most parents will agree that giving a kid a sports car at 16 is irresponsible. Just ask around. Or look at the majority of the people in this post to get an idea. The only one really supporting you is Ice and I would not even want to think for a second he has any children. Also take a gander at what he got as a first car. His Dad was responsable, yours not so much.

You're 16. Try to remember this post 30 years from now when you have kids of your own. See if you feel the same as you do now.

 

[Betelgeuse]

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It's not fast, get a clue in on what fast is and come back to the board.

Since when is 14 seconds flat at 100 mph not fast? Relative to 80% of the cars on the road today, that's fast. And high 13s is very doable as people have done it repeatedly. Is it the fastest thing on the road? Of course not but that doesn't mean it's not fast.

As for the CX-7, it's biggest problems are its weight and transmission. The modern slushboxes are programmed for fuel economy and ride-comfort and will suck power like a big sponge. It's just not a good candidate for modding.

 

[TheMAN]

I think you guys need to give LC some credit he is a 16 kid who is holding his own on a very opinionated forum and is bringing up some great points.

Posters like Bavnik seem to relish the fact that these kids were given a fast car and this some how led to their death. ****News Flash**** Even if those kids had been given a 85 honda civic hatch back they would probably still be dead! So are you going to argue that the honda had the potential for becoming fast and the parents should have considered this?!?! Get real!

I just love how someone who is probably in his mid 20 or lower can sit there and point the finger like that. If you want to blame the parents, blame them for not spending more time teaching them driving skills or spending more money on driving courses. Dont lump it all on just buying a car, how ignorant and misinformed of you!

If we want to talk about risks like betelgeuse had mentioned then look no further than this thread http://**********************/index.php?topic=92382.0 where forum members chronicle high speed risks. Maybe according to bravnik and Betelguese and others these were all 16 to 20 yr olds running amuck in their parental sourced MS3s. Stupidity takes all forms!

dude, I drove an 86 civic through high school.... you don't want to take stupid risks like passing people in that thing.... with 75hp factory rated, it's NOT going anywhere... all you care about is even keeping up with traffic... it did 90 at best on a good day! so don't say it's the driver not the car... if you drive a faster car, you would naturally have a psychological tendency to have a superiority complex and think you can just dust everyone on the road... but when you're behind the wheel of a piece of s***, you understand better not to **** with people

 

[Bravnik]

But anyway, the kid was an accident waiting to happen, in anything he was driving.

Really, if it wasn't an MS3 it probably wouldn't be in the news, it's all to scare parents into not letting teenagers drive at all, whats the point in this particular story making it into the news anyway, I saw a serious accident (dead) on the 101 and it didn't make the news.

He was the son of a NHRA driver. That's enough for the news. Fast cars and Kids don't mix. Even kids that live eat and s*** fast cars can be stupid and make mistakes.

Look at it this way. That kid grew up around really fast cars. I would be that just by being around it day in and day out he learned more than most kids his age about every aspect of cars.

However, all that experience meant nothing as he was 17 and behind the wheel of a car he should not have owned. He was a KID. 17 is still a CHILD (sorry I know you're 17 but its true) and think like a Child. He made a serious judgement of error and it cost him and his bother their lives.

I feel for his family.

 

[icespeed]

The only one really supporting you is Ice and I would not even want to think for a second he has any children. Also take a gander at what he got as a first car. His Dad was responsable, yours not so much.

If by responsible, you mean he gave me those words of advice? then yes you are correct. But as far as giving me my first car? second car? lol third car?

LOL!!!!

Let's just say (as if you couldn't tell already ) that I am the black sheep of the fam. I've had to work, cheat, steal, sweat, bleed, tear and everything else to survive this far. Perhaps you can say that my parents did do a good job because I'm still alive and am definately independently minded.

Perhaps my defense of LC is some sort of sub-conscious way of fighting the same bs that they (including you, sir) have been trying hand all of us for thousands of years. Down with the system!

 

[CX-7owner]

He was the son of a NHRA driver. That's enough for the news. Fast cars and Kids don't mix. Even kids that live eat and s*** fast cars can be stupid and make mistakes.

Look at it this way. That kid grew up around really fast cars. I would be that just by being around it day in and day out he learned more than most kids his age about every aspect of cars.

However, all that experience meant nothing as he was 17 and behind the wheel of a car he should not have owned. He was a KID. 17 is still a CHILD (sorry I know you're 17 but its true) and think like a Child. He made a serious judgement of error and it cost him and his bother their lives.

I feel for his family.

I'm not 17, also, child/teenager are different things.