Racing Cosmic Blue Mazdaspeed 3 nailed by Hummer and kills both in Mazda.

[Betelgeuse]

MS3 is NOT a 300hp car.
I don't mean to get riled up but i don't like being categorized. And I do NOT believe that my parents are "IDIOTS" for buying me a affordable sports compact car. Its not a Porsche we are talking about, it is a small sporty Mazda, and to say that I should NOT have a car like this is irritating and ignorant.

No it's not a 300hp one, it's only a 263 hp /280 tq one

People (but more so teens) would be more tempted to take chances in a fast car. If he had a civic, first off, he probably wouldn't be showing it off and secondly he wouldn't try to pass several cars at once. He used poor judgment and failed. Teens tend to you use poor judgment more and so get into a lot more accidents.

Also, had it been a slower car and he did indeed try to pass anyway, the speed difference might've made the accident a survivable one.

 

[Witchdoktor]

MS3 is NOT a 300hp car.
I don't mean to get riled up but i don't like being categorized. And I do NOT believe that my parents are "IDIOTS" for buying me a affordable sports compact car. Its not a Porsche we are talking about, it is a small sporty Mazda, and to say that I should NOT have a car like this is irritating and ignorant.

We both talked to him, and I told him My dad doesnt like me riding with you because the way you drive, and hes afraid youre either going to kill someone one day or kill yourself in an accident, and today it happens, said Jon Herberts friend Mike Long. Its just weird how things happen like that sometimes.


this kid was an accident waiting to happen and people knew it

 

[Betelgeuse]

Yeah, the statistics say that drivers between 15-20 are more likely to be involved in a fatal crash, but nowhere does it say that the caliber of the car has anything to do with it. The only reason it would be irresponsible for a parent to buy a 1st time driver a brand new/expensive/fast car is that chances are that it'll end up totaled because of inexperience.

I've said it before and I'll say it again the car has nothing to do with it. If you're going to do something stupid in a speed3 you're gonna do it in a P.O.S '85 or '91 civic. This kid went into oncoming traffic to pass another car car, the car has nothing to do with it.

Just for the record, my 1st car was a '95 Geo Prism.

Yes but I'm sure he thought he would make it BECAUSE of the speed of the car. The type of car will have an affect on the type of risks AND the survivability of the accident.

 

[orlandomsp]

You are correct, but the MS3 is NOT an EXPENSIVE car. It is quite affordable for most kids.

I didn't mean to say that the ms3 was an "expensive" car, hell different people have different ideas about what is expensive. I was just trying to get my point across.

 

[Witchdoktor]

Yes but I'm sure he thought he would make it BECAUSE of the speed of the car. The type of car will have an affect on the type of risks AND the survivability of the accident.

A+

 

[orlandomsp]

Also, had it been a slower car and he did indeed try to pass anyway, the speed difference might've made the accident a survivable one.

I don't see how, a pos slow car barreling down the highway will do the same amount of damage as the speed3.

this kid was an accident waiting to happen and people knew it

Exactly! The car isn't at fault He shouldn't have been driving in the 1st place.

 

[Witchdoktor]

You are correct, but the MS3 is NOT an EXPENSIVE car. It is quite affordable for most kids.

a 17 yr old can afford a MS3? and cover the car insurance in his name? and pay rent? electric? water?

mcdonald's pays that good these days?

 

[icespeed]

What are you saying then? If you don't have a stance why all the drama?

Personally I think it's better to embrace it and possibly save some lives. Teens being penalized, stereotyped or having to pay higher insurance seems like an acceptable outcome given the big picture.

Ok, if you insist....

Survival of the fittest. Deny the trends. Look at the numbers and understand that there is room for interperetations. For example: taken from the website you posted (http://www.rmiia.org/Auto/Teens/Teen_Driving_Statistics.htm):

"16-year-olds are three times more likely to die in a motor vehicle crash than the average of all drivers."

That word "average" is a very important word. It doesn't say that they are three times more likely to die than all others. Hell for all I know, from this specific line, 43 year olds die more often than 16 year olds in a car crash. Interperetation is vital.

To me? yeah it sucks this kid died. It sucked last year when a guy from our car club down here died. It sucks everytime that someone dies. Regardless of reckless behaviour, old age, over dose, heart attack.. .anything. But, such is life. Who am I to say that someone deserves death? Who am I to say that someone deserves life? It is what it is. People die. Regarless of "what-could-have-beens", the fact remains that people die. So be it. If we completely abolished teenagers driving, teenagers would still die in car accidents. Whether they did so illegally, or whether they were in the car with an adult driving, it changes nothing... .everyone dies.

I don't think I'm righteous enough to toot my horn and say that I have the power to save another person's life. I'm not a doctor. I don't have a self-satisfying urge to preach to everyone about what they should and should not do, based on the statistics that other people have presented me with.

The individual is, and has always been, more important to me. You can talk with an individual, know them, care for them, help them understand that death comes in ten thousand forms, not just from driving. Can I save them? I'm sorry, but that's not my purpose. Does it hurt when someone I know/care for dies? Sure it does. I'm human. But it doesn't change the fact that they died. So why cry over spilled milk? Therefore, hey, shoe happens. What's done is done.

Survival of the fittest.

 

[Kurt07]

The only people I truly feel sorry for is the 12 year old and the people in the H2.

 

[lc_MS3]

No it's not a 300hp one, it's only a 263 hp /280 tq one

People (but more so teens) would be more tempted to take chances in a fast car. If he had a civic, first off, he probably wouldn't be showing it off and secondly he wouldn't try to pass several cars at once. He used poor judgment and failed. Teens tend to you use poor judgment more and so get into a lot more accidents.

Also, had it been a slower car and he did indeed try to pass anyway, the speed difference might've made the accident a survivable one.

Just a question here, how old are you? Being in High School right now, I have many friends with different kinds of cars. And what I have seen is that most of the stupid ones drive civics, accords, and other "safer slower cars". I see them do stupid s*** that I would never do (pass people in the wrong lane ect.) so how does me having 260hp have anything to do with me trying to make that same pass or not?

 

[Betelgeuse]

I don't see how, a pos slow car barreling down the highway will do the same amount of damage as the speed3. .

It's the difference in speed. A POS slow car can't accelerate that fast. Who knows the hummer might've had more time to react or slow down. Have you driven a speed3 at all esp on the highway? If you haven't, you're in for a surprise. It can accelerate to 100mph in the blink of an eye.

 

[orlandomsp]

so how does me having 260hp have anything to do with me trying to make that same pass or not?

Assumptions....

 

[Betelgeuse]

Just a question here, how old are you? Being in High School right now, I have many friends with different kinds of cars. And what I have seen is that most of the stupid ones drive civics, accords, and other "safer slower cars". I see them do stupid s*** that I would never do (pass people in the wrong lane ect.) so how does me having 260hp have anything to do with me trying to make that same pass or not?

It's not the passing in itself that kills, it's the speed (or actually the difference in speed), plain and simple. I'm 34. The slower you go the more control you have.

 

[Witchdoktor]

lc - stop taking this personal. we're attacking the kid's parents who knew their kid was a nutcase behind the wheel of a car and still bought him a MS3.

 

[orlandomsp]

It's the difference in speed. A POS slow car can't accelerate that fast. Who knows the hummer might've had more time to react or slow down. Have you driven a speed3 at all esp on the highway? If you haven't, you're in for a surprise. It can accelerate to 100mph in the blink of an eye.

I haven't driven a speed3 on the highway, so I'll have to take your word on that. My comments are based on the assumption that the kid didn't accelerate from 70 to 100 or 110 just to pass another car.

 

[SeminoleMan]

Having a "fast" car as a 1st car has nothing to do with it.

I disagree. Having a fast car might cause an inexperieced driver to think "I can pass this car or cover this distance in time" where having a dead slow car would probably force them to use their brains rather than their right foot. In the hands of a relatively inexperienced driver, a fast car is bad news.

As a parent, I would never buy my kid a fast car. If he ever saved up enough money to buy a fast car, as long as he was living in my house I would do everything possible to make sure he couldn't afford it. That means charging rent, making them pay for insurance...whatever it took to MAKE it unaffordable. In the long run, it's in their best interest.

I know if I had a fast car when I was younger I'd be dead by now. Thank god for my 87 Pulsar NX back in 92 - having that sled helped me learn patience and better judgement cause it could hardly get out of it's own way.

 

[lc_MS3]

a 17 yr old can afford a MS3? and cover the car insurance in his name? and pay rent? electric? water?

mcdonald's pays that good these days?

Maybe it is just me, but am I the only one that actually reads what the other person has said BEFORE I say something contradictory?

As stated previously I pay HALF OF MY CAR PAYMENT. I don't pay rent I live with my parents. In California they will not let me put a car in my own name. It is under my parents insurance. And how we take care of our insurance is none of your business. But yes, a $22k-$24k MS3 SPORT is affordable for me and many of my friends if they decided they wanted one. But once again the car was not to blame in the accident, nor were the parent. THE KID MADE A BAD MOVE. I do not feel that that should make it so that I "shouldn't have a car of this caliper". What if the kid was in a GTI? Would you have said the same thing? The two cars are in the same class.

 

[lc_MS3]

lc - stop taking this personal. we're attacking the kid's parents who knew their kid was a nutcase behind the wheel of a car and still bought him a MS3.

PARENTS are not at fault. For all you know the kid bought the car himself.

 

[icespeed]

lc - stop taking this personal. we're attacking the kid's parents who knew their kid was a nutcase behind the wheel of a car and still bought him a MS3.

in that regard, i think the parents are paying enough for it. they have to live with the knowledge that two of their kids are gone because of something they could've avoided.

However, I still don't blame them. They were not the ones who floored the gas pedal, swirved into oncoming traffic and hit a hummer.

And it doesn't matter if it's an MS3 or a Geo Metro. 100mph is still 100mph.

 

[lc_MS3]

It's not the passing in itself that kills, it's the speed (or actually the difference in speed), plain and simple. I'm 34. The slower you go the more control you have.

so you are saying that a HEAD on collision at 70 and 70 s not as deadly as one at 80 and 80?
If in both cases someone dies, what is the difference?