Opinions on mod plans with safety in mind

[Pkay]

First off: Ultimate goal of my car is not to break into the 13's but more so to have a daily driver with a little more oomph and lovely handling.

Thus far i've installed:

Injen CAI
Blitz Dual TT


Coming in sometime in the next week or so:

Joe P MBC (Plans are to run 9psi)
Joe P FPR
4 x Copper NGK BKR7E's


In your collective opinions am I looking at a relatively safe setup with said plans?


Concerns: Heat..... used to heat issues as I own a 3rd gen rx7. However, I have never experienced them due to upgrading Intercooler and installing secondary fan.......

With said plans am I looking at any heat related issues?

I've been looking at the ION FMIC.... with said plans above and the ION FMIC am I looking at anything so drastic HP wise that I might damage my engine? Would it be better to hold off on the FMIC and not worry about heat issues?


Note: I'm not looking to overpower my car and do every mod known to man as fast as I can..... I've got an engine rebuild and street porting for the RX7 coming this fall so my money and hands will be full. But, I'd like to do these minor but effective mods in as safe manner as possible.


Opinions?

 

[Dexter]

rice

 

[YP5 Toronto]

rice

????

why do I try and not venture into the Mazdaspeed section again? right..because of this $hit.

Dexter...he is asking for opinions....HOW THE %%$# IS HIS POST OR MODS RICE?

 

[jonnydoe48]

STICKY RICE TO THE MAX

 

[Dexter]

????

why do I try and not venture into the Mazdaspeed section again? right..because of this $hit.

Dexter...he is asking for opinions....HOW THE %%$# IS HIS POST OR MODS RICE?

omg lol im joking around
id get the Spool FMIC over the iON because it looks to be better engineered (no cutting etc)

 

[Striker187]

should be safe. that's what quite a few people are running on here. though i don't think that it warrants an fmic. the stock one should be fine for the time being. and even if you do get one, i don't think i'll be enough to cause any problems for the engine.

 

[1sty]

In mentioning heat and safety the first thing that needs to be removed is the turbo. Ontop of flowing relitely little air it will throw very hot air into the mixture, much more then even a T3 or T28 moving the same volume. The added intercooler is wasted on that aplication as nothing will cool the air enoughn to truely be safe.

TO touch 13's reliably on pump gas, you need:
A bigger turbo
Full Engine management
Bigger Intercooler
BIgger injectors and possibly a aux fuel pump.
2.5-3" exhuast with no cats or oner high flow cat.
A very strung clutch, a stage one clutch master isn't going to hold.
A lighter flywheel will help.

Yes you can crank the boost on a MSP to get you up there but eventualy your motor will pay for it!

 

[II-Savy]

"First off: Ultimate goal of my car is not to break into the 13's"

Hello in there.....in there....in there.......

 

[Kenetix]

No cutting required on the stage 1 FMIC.

 

[iON Performance]

Pkay - with our FMIC set-up, you'll be picking up ~ 20whp and 20lb-ft torque @ boost stock levels. It will eliminate the stock heat-soak problems. You're decreasing the stress on the motor by letting it be more efficient.

Dexter - here's a thread which has the info to clear up details. Our FMIC only requires 2 holes to be made in non-load bearing locations. If it were ill engineered, we would've made an even shorter path for the pipes and route it through load bearing locations which would affect the safety.

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?threadid=28590

 

[YuYuRena]

Heat is always an issue with any engine. FMIC just allows you to make more power more consistently. However FMIC isn't the only to do it. You can get a more efficiency IC at the stock location if you don't want to change piping, i.e. that IC Dr. Sound posted in the ECU flash thread. There's plenty of way to do it safely, but if you run high enough octane with the colder plugs you should be fine, plus our obdII ecu got knock sensor where they'll retard and enrichen if knock occurs, unless you push it too much

 

[STLBLKMSP]

Pkay since you are planning on putting on one of Joe's MBC are you planning on putting in a boost gauge before you put in the MBC. I see that you posted a drive you and some of your rx7 buddies are doing. I'd like to go but I'm going to be out of town that weekend. Man I like to meet up with you and see your rex sometime.

 

[Fakhelek]

I think you should replace the turbo, piping, intercooler, head unit, speakers, subwoofer, pistons, rods, struts, swaybars, and all the other items that MazdaSpeed put on the car. That way you can pay for an MSP and end up with a modded ES and a pile of extra junk.

Seriously:
The CAI should help a lot with the heat. I would add a boost gauge (althought it seems like you know enough you probably just didn't mention it) and remove the weatherstripping from the back of the hood for more airflow.

Many people have done the setup you are talking about without even getting the cooler plugs and have not seemed to have problems. Honestly I don't know what else you can do about the heat.

At 9psi I think you should be safe. I am setting up my MSP just as you have described except without the CAI and FPR. I think the cooler plugs (and 93 octane fuel) should be plenty sufficient to stave off detonation (at least I hope so for my sake).

Good Luck!

P.S. I envy you your RX-7.

 

[Pkay]

Pkay since you are planning on putting on one of Joe's MBC are you planning on putting in a boost gauge before you put in the MBC. I see that you posted a drive you and some of your rx7 buddies are doing. I'd like to go but I'm going to be out of town that weekend. Man I like to meet up with you and see your rex sometime.

I have a boost gauge installed via the Blitz Dual TT..... if you wanna hook up I'm gonna do this probably saturday. I can always use some help with this kinda stuff hehe

 

[Dexter]

Dexter - here's a thread which has the info to clear up details. Our FMIC only requires 2 holes to be made in non-load bearing locations. If it were ill engineered, we would've made an even shorter path for the pipes and route it through load bearing locations which would affect the safety.

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?threadid=28590

i didnt mean to imply that it was an ill engineered product. sorry if thats how i came across.

 

[DevilsSi1481]

yeah i think if u plan on changing so much stuff on the MSP, u should have saved some cash and just bought an ES or MP3 at the most.

 

[Pkay]

yeah i think if u plan on changing so much stuff on the MSP, u should have saved some cash and just bought an ES or MP3 at the most.

Not to be rude but that suggestion was pretty retarted.

changing so much? I've spent less than $400 on my car thus far.


Asked for opinions on the plans for the cars mods..... not if you think I should have bought something else.


I like to work on cars and have a little fun with them..... I like to work for my HP not just have it handed to me.

 

[DevilsSi1481]

yeah thus far but u said u were gonna change all kinds of stuff to the point that anything that made the MSP an MSP and not an ES or MP3 wont be there anymore. hence my reply but like u said u asked for opinions and i gave mine so yeah.........

 

[1sty]

I think you should replace the turbo, piping, intercooler, head unit, speakers, subwoofer, pistons, rods, struts, swaybars, and all the other items that MazdaSpeed put on the car. That way you can pay for an MSP and end up with a modded ES and a pile of extra junk.

Turbo and pipeing are curtisy of Callaway.
The intercooler is a reuse from the mazda parts bin, nothing special.
Piston and rods are the same as any protege.

To hit 13's reliably you will definitly need to up the turbo. There is no use in spending alot on power mods just to up the boost and dump a retardly hot air charge into the system. The T28 will help a good bit to get a colder air charge from a higher CFM of air.

The piping leaks staright from the factory so replacing it will a reliable upgrade not to mention looks good and will add spome better flow.

The intercooler is a bit small but mostly when trying to cool the hot air charge of the T25. A bigger intercooler is ok, but one with better flow is the desired option. Cooler air is simply more reliable and adds power. So long as the fuel can match.

Now running all this new stuff is fine but to hit 13's realibly with a daily driver you want to last a good long time, a full engine management system is desired in any car to take full advantage of the system. Always a good thing.

The suspension has no need in being touched for drag racing, and I would advise against changing any of it. Other then the annoying clunk, its incredible as is and I would never compromise its design.

I would change NOTHING about the MSP appearance. Form factory it is simply the best looking car for under $30K. Even the carbon fiber hoods are an insult to its styling to me. The head unit, replace it when it starts freaking out daily.
The sub, repace it when you have had the dealer replace it 3 times and its not loud enough for you.

The speakers replace them if you don't like the sound.



Yes I know the comment was sarcastic but you guys have to get off the kick that there is something holy special about the MSP. There isn't except for some cool parts. Its a great from facotry car but if you want it to do things it can not from the factory do then pars have to be changed.
It does have a collection of GREAT parts including the suspension and LSD but other then that everything can be improved and if an MSP owner desires more power, something has to go.
As with any car, for a tuner the MSP is a starting point not an end.
Changing parts and tweaking others hardly makes the car no longer an MSP.

 

[Pkay]

I'm going to change absolutely nothing about the suspension part of my MSP anytime in the near future

No plans to mess with the exhaust anytime soon

no plan to get forged internals or need them anytime soon




Infact the only things I'm changing for the most part are the plastic pieces..... got rid of stock airbox and piping....... and plan to get rid of intercooler and have hardpiping put in.


man thats hardly an MSP anymore! Only 90% of the car is still stock! Crazyness!

/end sarcasm