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[chillinmcmillan]

What is the weight on the FMIC?

 

[MazdaDryvr]

Ion -I sent you an email

 

[iON Performance]

chillinmcmillan - the FMIC itself doesn't weigh too much ~ 20lbs or so.

MazdaDryvr - just got your email, will be answering shortly.

 

[Fakhelek]

FunkyCold5 - the hesitation is due to an overly rich fuel map. When your car becomes heat soaked, this problem becomes more apparent as there's less O2 to combine with the fuel.

If you were to go pedal to the metal from stoplight to stoplight, you'll notice that after each stoplight, your car will become laggier as well as less powerful.

Our stage 1 FMIC kit runs $900US + shipping. (this is the club member discounted price).

Here's a picture of the stock IC vs our stage 1 FMIC:

Here's a picture of the stage 1 FMIC installed:

Here are the facts & results:

- Charge temps went from 60C (post I/C on the stock set-up) down to 20C on our stage 1 FMIC.

Stock car baselined: (Before stage 1 FMIC) - boost was 5.5psi peak
(Run #1) 120.6whp peak @ ~6000rpm, 125lb-ft torque @ 4200rpm
(Run #2) 119.4whp peak @ ~6000rpm, 114lb-ft torque @ 4200rpm
(Run #3) 116.2whp peak @ ~6000rpm, 106lb-ft torque @ 4700rpm

After stage 1 FMIC added (w/ stock airbox & K&N panel filter): boost was 5.7psi peak
(runs #1-11 were all higher then #12, we stopped at 12 runs)
(Run #12) 139.3whp peak @ 5800rpm, 146.3lb-ft torque @ 3900rpm.
Baseline Dyno Run:

After Stage 1 FMIC was installed (12th dyno run showed)

After an EBC was installed and our 3" cat-back, boost was set to 8.9psi and 192.2whp was made. This was the 12th run as well that set the 192.2whp

MazdaDryvr - Our FMIC kit is designed around the car and gives you the option of replacing the stock MSP radiator w/ the stock p5 radiator. By replacing the stock MSP w/ the stock P5 rad, your car will run cooler. (rad capacity also increases so you have a larger heat sink) So yes it would be beneficial.

Why is it that every other dyno I have seen is showing ~150 whp stock? I am also curious about the 5.5psi of boost. I have a stock setup with boost gauge and I show steady boost at ~6 psi with peak at ~6.9. If the FMIC will get me 139whp then I will be losing 10hp with the upgrade.

EDIT: P.S. I personally would (actually did) pick up a manual boost controller first. At $35 it is hard for me to justify $900 for an FMIC. Only way I would do it is if I already had the MBC, the Fuel Cut (or Spark Cut, whatever) Defender to allow boosting over 10psi and forged rods ($720). Under 10psi I woudn't expect gains worth $900 and over 10psi I wouldn't trust our engine internals unless upgraded.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[iON Performance]

Fakhelek - When reading a dyno, you don't read the absolute #. You read the absolute difference. They Dynodynamics dyno consistently reads 15-20% lower for 2WD (FWD & RWD) cars and ~30-35% lower for AWD/4WD cars.

FYI, the turbo systems etc are installed once the cars get off the boat. This happens @ the port. Every car will vary a little bit. The car that we had to do the baseline as well as design the kit on was the same car the way it left the port for the dealer. After the installation of the FMIC kit, we dyno'd the same car w/o changing anything else and netted an approx gain of ~20whp and ~20lb-ft torque.

So on your MSP, you should see ~ 20whp and 20lb-ft torque @ stock boost levels.

A FMIC is designed to more efficiently cool the compressed charge out of the turbo. The less heat you have going into the throttle body/motor, the less chance of knock. Hence the ECU can automatically advance as much timing as possible. Regardless, this mod will allow you to run higher boost levels. And gains in power are realized regardless of how much boost is ran.

Yes a MBC will give you power gains, however you'll also be more prone to knock due to the fact that increasing the boost will increase charge temps.

If you're still a skeptic, just watch for December's issue of Turbo & Hi-Tech Performance magazine. They'll be doing an indepth article about heat-soak and our stage 1 FMIC set-up.

 

[MazdaDryvr]

I bought a JoeP MBC , now I dont feel right about installing it without a good FMIC. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I really want my car to last.

 

[SonicRacer]

I'll be building my own FMIC kit when I get to that point. Those kits are way too expensive. :shrug:

But as said... there are plenty of other things that are more cost effective to start out with.

 

[YuYuRena]

Why is it that every other dyno I have seen is showing ~150 whp stock? I am also curious about the 5.5psi of boost. I have a stock setup with boost gauge and I show steady boost at ~6 psi with peak at ~6.9. If the FMIC will get me 139whp then I will be losing 10hp with the upgrade.

EDIT: P.S. I personally would (actually did) pick up a manual boost controller first. At $35 it is hard for me to justify $900 for an FMIC. Only way I would do it is if I already had the MBC, the Fuel Cut (or Spark Cut, whatever) Defender to allow boosting over 10psi and forged rods ($720). Under 10psi I woudn't expect gains worth $900 and over 10psi I wouldn't trust our engine internals unless upgraded.

Just my 2 cents.

I think you should read up about how to tune a turbo car first though, just simply upping the boost isn't always the smartest thing. You're lucky that the MSP is running overly rich, that allows for more boost added to stock car without modifications. With the new flash, hopefully this overrichen business would end, and maybe at that turn simply up the boost wouldn't be too good of an idea. Plus it's better to cool the intake charge and will net you more consistant gain if you go FMIC and just a boost controller.

 

[MazdaDryvr]

yeah, what he said ^

 

[Titanium]

So does anyone have pictures of the fmic with all the piping? I'm just wondering how the piping is ran?

Thanks...

 

[iON Performance]

Titanium - we've got pictures of our FMIC w/ all the piping. However, the way the piping is ran is only available with our instruction guide which is emailed to everyone who purchases the system. There's a few guys who have their kits already

 

[505zoom]

[/b] - There's a few guys who have their kits already [/B]

BOOOOO!!! I wanted mine first

 

[iON Performance]

505zoom - the only reason those guys have their kits first is (1) They're on the same side of the boarder and (2) One of those few are on the Turbo Hi-Tech Performance Magazine Project MSP

Your's should be on it's way to you

 

[505zoom]

505zoom - the only reason those guys have their kits first is (1) They're on the same side of the boarder and (2) One of those few are on the Turbo Hi-Tech Performance Magazine Project MSP

Your's should be on it's way to you

1) I figured as much, I was just playin'.
2) I can't wait to see that article!

Lookin forward to it, I am driving to Denver from Los Alamos (350 miles), and then to Las Cruces from Denver (about 750) in a couple weeks so it's coming at a great time. I'll get some nice highway testing for it right away.

 

[spoolinmp3]

Hey guys we just dynoed our FMIC in conjuction with our CAI and got some pretty interesting results check out the link

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30106

 

[iON Performance]

spoolinmp3 - interesting #'s. How many runs in total did you guys do? I guess we should've used our peak dyno values too We used the 12th run as a stopping point as the #'s wouldn't get any lower.

Also what were the boost levels and type of dyno that was used?

 

[MSPDAVE125]

Hey Jack, Quick update. We found 7 boost leaks on the IC/ Intake piping with this really cool contraption by friend made (works on shop air). 100 psi pumped through the Turbo and I/C plumbing and capped off at the TB. Tightenened down and wiggled all the fittings and clamps into better spots. No more leaks. Kinda like getting a wheel alignment after lowering your car. A good check up after everything has settled and heated up.

Making easily another 10 hp from that fix. Now the BPV is leaking!!!! Lost 10 hp!!! Thank god I have another.


I'm going to the Dyno this weekend. With an FCD. (Nervous)

I'll keep you posted.

If #'s are satisfying, slicks are going for race day sunday.

Hope I still have a clutch to get to work on Monday.

Later....... have nice weekend Everyone!!!!

 

[MazdaDryvr]

Dave quit messin with my world. You are one well informed MF

 

[iON Performance]

MSPDAVE125 - great to hear Dave.. make sure you don't go too crazy on the track... you still need that clutch to get home What's the boost @ now?

 

[MSPDAVE125]

10 psi right now. But I'll spin max 13 psi on the Dyno. It spikes to 15 so quickly that any higher and as you know efficiency really becomes a question. I WILL run 13 psi (C12 gas) at the track on slicks if I can get those damn slicks mounted on time.

I'm gonna gut the hell outta the car too! Gonna end the year on a very fast note!