Forged parts

[RyanJayG]

**Coming Soon to a Mental Addiction distributor near you**

there are a few new things on Beau's plate, made for you!

staged Forged kits, with different combinations for simple one stop shopping

Cheaper Forged Rods, for the guys who don't nececcarily need the top line Oliver Rods (should be quite a bit cheaper for the guys only needing 300-400hp or so)

and for the balls out guys:
...a Billet Crank!!, Oliver Rods, CP pistons (stroker kits will be available as well )


Beau has really been thinking about billet cranks, due to a couple cranks being sheered in high horsepower apps, (yeah, it shocked me to hear it too) and also because there have been atleast 3 cracked cranks found in the core's used to make the Mental Addiction blocks (none used in the rebuild of course)

interesting developments, discuss.

 

[changedman]

cool. too bad mines all assembled already

 

[Matthew]

when we say cheaper rods, what kind of price are we talking about?

 

[RyanJayG]

well, its not set yet... but a good $200 less than the Olivers I believe. Beau will relase the final price once they are closer to completion.

its just that the Oliver's a SUCH a nice rod, they just cost a pretty penny too. and though they are good for a claimed ~900HP, who needs that insurance, unless you are going for 400hp?

 

[03promaz]

Cant wait to see. When its all said and done I wanna be around 400 whp

 

[Matthew]

im thinking to myself, that for someone with such low goals, and with rumors of the stock pistons working well, that a cheaper solution for like 8psi would be just the cheaper rods. have most of the security for daily 8psi driver, while not killing the pocket.

 

[RyanJayG]

it could very well be. that the point of the budget rods.

though with stock pistons I would recommened a ceramic coating to fend off any potental detonation by spreading the heat around. (I do NOT personally recommend ceramic coating on forged pistons though, because of the expansion/potential cracking)

besides, it wouldn't cost all that much

 

[Matthew]

how hard is it to put rods in yourself?

 

[RyanJayG]

not so much hard as tedious to get everything right. you don't just bolt them on, its bearing clearances, re-torquing tq-to-yield bolts, etc that are the tricky part. due to these things its not for the engine building amatuer, unless you have a lot of time, or help from an experienced builder.

but thats my opinion of it. though I know some novice's have done it with good (read:lucky) results

 

[Matthew]

interesting...i would definately pay someone i was just curious. how many hours can you expect to pay someone to put rods in?

 

[vindication]

Cheaper Forged Rods, for the guys who don't nececcarily need the top line Oliver Rods (should be quite a bit cheaper for the guys only needing 300-400hp or so)

(boom07) so you excpect a protege to push over 600hp? hmmm, I think not

and for the balls out guys:
...a Billet Crank!!, Oliver Rods, CP pistons (stroker kits will be available as well )

Our cranks are forged though. though were probably faulty cranks. I doubt ours cant take 400hp

 

[RyanJayG]

(boom07) so you excpect a protege to push over 600hp? hmmm, I think not

no, ofcourse not, but that overhead is INSURANCE

Our cranks are forged though. though were probably faulty cranks. I doubt ours cant take 400hp

honestly, I thought our cranks were enough too, but Beau has seen too many of them cracked
but I know of atleast one that sheered clean in half due to what we believe was crank walk. though I'll have to get back to you on if is ok for me to say who it was.

 

[vindication]

but I know of atleast one that sheered clean in half due to what we believe was crank walk. though I'll have to get back to you on if is ok for me to say who it was.

ok, so you wouldn't necessarily say it was weak crank, but more due to crank walk right? that sounds like it would suck and cause some damage. maybe a pm if the person isn't lookin for it to be out in the open

 

[RyanJayG]

and as for the 600hp protege, don't be surprised if Beau does it soon. the Mental Addiction shop car is about to go crazy

PAR straight cut gears, Quaiffe LSD, T67 turbo (yeah, WOW), AEM powered, the MAM built, PnP'd oversized valves, full cage, etc etc etc.

he doesn't want me to say what else he's doing, but the block will be absolutely bullet proof. its a hush hush deal. he's going to wing it out. haha

watchout!
lol

 

[Matthew]

illb e interested to see that.

 

[vindication]

would that include the new head? also it would be allowed to rev to like 9-10k right to make up for the laaaate onset of boost with the new head?

 

[RyanJayG]

would that include the new head? also it would be allowed to rev to like 9-10k right to make up for the laaaate onset of boost with the new head?

afirmative on the new head... not sure about the rpms, but I'm sure it will rev higher than the stock motor. he's looking for about 8k, but if it stops making power with the new cams, then there is no real reason for reving it even higher.

sheetmetal intake, 75mm throttle body (the AEM makes it so easy to even use the AIC etc.)

geez, he's really airing the laundry now.. lol

and the turbo is a T67 with T3 .81 AR backside.. so it wont be TOO bad on the spool

 

[Installshield 2]

8k? with stock length rods?...I would doubt that...piston acceleration at 8k with the 1.42 rod ratio we have is simply nuts...now if he lengthens them then I understand...I was in that boat...and what rod material will yeild this?...Are these forged aluminum (which I doubt), or steel?...the weight of even forged steel rods will still tear the crank apart at that rpm...unless it is taking this new crank as well...But if he gets a head willing to rev that high, 7500+rpm with a big enough turbo is where you FI guys are going to see crazy peak hp numbers...the curve may be a bit steep, because of the compressor size, but I wouldn't doubt that you could peak 50 more hp out of a large turbo just by revving an extra 1000rpm...as long as everything is set up for it...

Not trying to be a dick, just curious thats all...I am not FI, but had to go through the entire high rpm scenario...this crank thing sounds great though...that may allow me some more revs...

but he seriously is considering stroking an FS?...thats an FP stroked twice...still have less stroke than an SpecV though, haha...

 

[RyanJayG]

yeah, and who knows, he might even destroke (to a custom length) the engine... I don't know... and I know he'll get the largest rod ratio he can, anything to make it rev up there better. and the crank should be MEGA strong, able to withstand the crazyness that toyota motors endure at such high RPMS, but with the power to boot.

and for those interested, Beau is projecting the "budget" rods to be in the $400-$450 range. but we'll see.

 

[Installshield 2]

how hard is it to put rods in yourself?

its not hard...its just tedious...IMO the physically annoying part is pulling the engine...after the engine and gearbox is out, everything else is simple...manifold removal....easy...head removal...easy...clutch install...easy...

then putting the engine back in...annoying...