Your thoughts on the MS3 engine?

[Sveivo]

I'm done defending the SI engine in this thread. I didn't make this to compare an N/A 4-cyl versus a Turbo 4-cyl.

At the guy who apparently found and roasted an SI.. I call BS. Kinda coincidental you for one happened to find an SI just sitting at a redlight.. plastered with VTEC stickers (There are TWO on the car.. if you call that plastered), and then he happened to stick his head out the window and talk about VTEC? Please man, no one does that. Keep your little made up stories to yourself. I already know the MS3 is faster, I don't need a story from you to confirm it.

Anyways, I winged by a mazda dealer again today and checked out the MS3 again. And when I say 'winged by', I mean I took an hour and a half drive to the nearest Mazda dealer to check it out.

Does anyone know what would be invovled in changing whatever it was you all were talking about to make more power up top? I love the mid-range grunt, but I'm also a semi-honda boy at heart and I do love some top-end as well and I was displeased to see how much the power dropped off up top. What would be involved in changing this and how much?

The salesman I was talking to said I would also get excellent value on my trade-in because they absolutely love getting civics in since they're always an easy sale. I didn't have time to get it appraised but he said to expect not to lose much at all from the initial cost, so I remain hopeful yet.

Right now they're telling me 22,095 is the best they can do on a base MS3.

I believe engine management (xede?) allows boost to redline. I read it in a thread somewhere. It was done long ago.

 

[I vtec do you?]

Than youre living in denial man if you honestly believe an SI is going to give me a good race. Yes, he riced out his car as amazing as it sounds. Every fricken honda around here is riced out.

Yep, i just make up stories. I have YET to see ANY honda out here put up a decents race. Ever heard of torque? You will if you get a MS3 and mod it my friend. Stop living in your honda fantasy world of real power and join the forced inducted club.

Wow.. I give up. You can't post a damn thing on these boards without it turning into a Mazda superiority thread. Thanks to those who actually CONTRIBUTED to this thread.. and to those like the moron I quoted above.. nothing else needs to be said.

 

[redspeed3tk]

you came to a Mazda forum and asked about hondas and you expected anything less?? go to a camaro forum and ask about a mustang compared to there car.. common man its common sense

 

[b15nut]

My buddy Geoff owns a shop out here called Full Race (www.full-race.com). Stop by his site if you would like to see some 400+hp Hondas, Acuras, Nissans and a Miata. Not sure if he will be doing anything for the Speed 3 but I am crossing my fingers.

They design and build custom turbo manifolds and kits.

You may have seen his R14 Nissan (SWEET Ride) in Modified Magazina as well as Car & Driver.

Also he was on Pinks...but lost.

As for the SI vs MS3..I drove both and chose the MS3 as I felt it offered better bang for the buck and more fun factor.

 

[jeffmsp]

ya well heres a couple of countless turbo civics that would smoke literally 99% of the users on msprotege.com

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JXOk5AJXd8E

http://youtube.com/watch?v=78-KMxxasD0&mode=related&search=

there are thousands and thousands of these turbo civics. they are making mazdas look bad everywhere around the world. I dont even like hondas but there is alot of misinformation in this thread lol but ya id take a mazda any day of the week, some of our members just gotta remember just cause they havent seen a fast car it doesnt mean hondas are slow.

 

[Betelgeuse]

ya well heres a couple of countless turbo civics that would smoke literally 99% of the users on msprotege.com

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JXOk5AJXd8E

http://youtube.com/watch?v=78-KMxxasD0&mode=related&search=

there are thousands and thousands of these turbo civics. they are making mazdas look bad everywhere around the world. I dont even like hondas but there is alot of misinformation in this thread lol but ya id take a mazda any day of the week, some of our members just gotta remember just cause they havent seen a fast car it doesnt mean hondas are slow.

Sorry,any car can be made to be fast, even Hondas. And I've seen cars that'll crap all over those civics. Don't get me wrong it's impressive to see a 500 hp civic but I'd really like to know how much money was pumped into it, just so I can laugh.

 

[I vtec do you?]

Sorry,any car can be made to be fast, even Hondas. And I've seen cars that'll crap all over those civics. Don't get me wrong it's impressive to see a 500 hp civic but I'd really like to know how much money was pumped into it, just so I can laugh.

The car I drive now has a kit out capable of making over 500 WHP on a stock engine.. different fuel rails and a few other things modified for the kit, but otherwise, a 6 thousand dollar kit, and they ran it at nearly 20 PSi for 500+ WHP. It doesn't take as much as you think on a k series.

I realize I'm not going to get honda love over here, but I came here asking about the MS3 engine and it turned int a kseries slam-fest. I dont' care what your thoughts are on the K's, I care what they are on the ms3 motor. I already know what the K is capable of and what is isn't, I don't need to hear some of the morons on here spouting off about how hondas are nothing but ricers and can't make any power. I'll leave those guys to remain ignorant and give up tryign to correct them. It's sad some people just hate on Honda because it's a 100% japanese car. I guess some of you guys are forgetting that mazda isn't exactly American either.. so think before you call rice next time.

 

[CX-7owner]

Civic=FWD=500HP=waste of money

 

[tsunami]

well it was fun while it lasted...

closed to avoid further flame fest.