Yet another blown engine!

[BlueWolfCry]

agreed

 

[t3ase]

I love how when someone posts about installing a boost gauge and controller on their car, everyone's all happy for them but when they blow their engine, it turns in to "dam kids these days make me laugh"...

What great attitudes.

 

[1sty]

"So basically Mazda is saying that there motor cannot handle any addtional HP hmmmm sounds like they made a wonderful engine. What blows my mind is that I had a bone stock 302 rated at 225 hp, popped on a Vortech S trim at 9 lbs and had NO problems for 4 years of real abuse. I guess the Japanese engines really are not that superior.
MEAT"

Maybe if people did modifications correctly and wisely they wouldnt have blown motors and mazda to blame. If you are raiseing boost and dont take some timing out and change the injectors and dyno tune and test the setup . Then you jackasses shouldnt be working on cars. these cars need bigger injectors and tuning to run more boost .Never mind dam kids these days make me laugh.

Well said. The protege engine can handle 8-10 PSI from a T25, but not in the presence of detonation or like perf mentioned, very high revs. Its about properly tuning the car. The talon and grand nationals had a ECU program that could account for raised boost levels, the protege DOES NOT! Also I am sure the Vortech kit cam with something else, like a new computer program, otherwise it would have been a pile of scrap aswell.

 

[1sty]

I love how when someone posts about installing a boost gauge and controller on their car, everyone's all happy for them but when they blow their engine, it turns in to "dam kids these days make me laugh"...

What great attitudes.

Installing a boost guage and MBC is just like rolling the dice. You may be fine, you may not. What makes someone a "Damn Kid" is when they try to get others to pay for the consequences of their choices.

The problem is too many people think its as simple as turning a small knob that cost $40 and you have instant horsepower!
Its not that simple and the people that think that are the KNOBS!
(poke)

 

[t3ase]

Installing a boost guage and MBC is just like rolling the dice. You may be fine, you may not. What makes someone a "Damn Kid" is when they try to get others to pay for the consequences of their choices.

The problem is too many people think its as simple as turning a small knob that cost $40 and you have instant horsepower!
Its not that simple and the people that think that are the KNOBS!
(poke)

I'm not debating that. I'm talking about the general attitude of the members on this board now since the introduction of the MSP section.

 

[yashooa]

Well said. The protege engine can handle 8-10 PSI from a T25, but not in the presence of detonation or like perf mentioned, very high revs. Its about properly tuning the car. The talon and grand nationals had a ECU program that could account for raised boost levels, the protege DOES NOT! Also I am sure the Vortech kit cam with something else, like a new computer program, otherwise it would have been a pile of scrap aswell.

Some of the Paxtons came with water injection kits.
Don't know if the Vortechs did.

 

[perfworks]

So basically Mazda is saying that there motor cannot handle any addtional HP hmmmm sounds like they made a wonderful engine. What blows my mind is that I had a bone stock 302 rated at 225 hp, popped on a Vortech S trim at 9 lbs and had NO problems for 4 years of real abuse. I guess the Japanese engines really are not that superior.
MEAT

This statement is what i cant stand. Im sorry but this is the typical BS i hear day in and day out. Have you ever taken apart a ford 302??
Really im not trying to be a dick but to come to that conclusion is silly.
We are talking about 2 engines that have absolutely no similarities to each other.
I wouldnt even begin to brag about a car that makes 200 WHP and has 2.5 times the displacement value.
I could go on and on about ford and the " big three" mentality about muscle cars.
Also i guess you dont really know why the MSP was brought to the market.
my 2 1/2 cents

 

[perfworks]

Well said. The protege engine can handle 8-10 PSI from a T25, but not in the presence of detonation or like perf mentioned, very high revs. Its about properly tuning the car. The talon and grand nationals had a ECU program that could account for raised boost levels, the protege DOES NOT! Also I am sure the Vortech kit cam with something else, like a new computer program, otherwise it would have been a pile of scrap aswell.

Mitsu has a very active and aggressive knock retard system stock. Their whole induction system is different. There is no way to compare what they do with a forced induction setup to what mazda did.
So you are completely right. There really werent any provisions for higher levels of power out of this car without optimal tuning parameters for the mods you have elected. Or anyone for that matter. Turning up the boost doesnt mean you magically get more power. The fuel and ignition tables need to be curved accordingly. The MAF on the car was calibrated for the specific output specified by the manufacturer. When you increase the boost the intake will have more air flow at an earlier rpm. This changes all your load and engine speed parameters which inturn will affect the fueling and end cylinder pressures. There is alot to owning and modifying a turbo charged car. Some dont yet have or understand that concept. Use the car for its intended purpose or modify and tune to your specific needs .
My 2 1/2 cents

 

[yashooa]

My 2 1/2 cents

I think it was more like a nickle

 

[low_psi]

on a side note my friend has a gst eclispe and has been runnig 20 psi for almost 2 years now with hardly any mods just beter breathing and springs. you know what happened to his car? it didnt blow a load on the road he wore the bearings in the turbo down.

a FS-DE is NOT a 4g63 motor... people need to realize the protege is an economy car. if you want a sports car, go buy a sports car. until then come to terms with the build purpose of your car.

btw- my friend blew the main seal on his GST's T25 recently and we suspect it was from longterm overboosting too.

 

[Mr. Win]

understand what motor it is my friend my statement was more for the fact that if mazda wants to get into the market of import and the street racing scene they need to make something thats goign to last through kids and adults stupidity. I think its plan an simple the motor was not meant to be boosted without serious internal upgrades that would tack more and more money on to the cost.

 

[low_psi]

just making sure no one has unrealistic ideas i agree that if mazda is going to enter the market with a MS3, the engine better be stronger than the FSDE

 

[03MSPRO]

that's why I don't have a MBC. Many people want cheap HP and go buy a $40 MBC and turn the knob without sometimes even having a boost gauge. IMO, a MBC should be one of the last mods, not the first one. That's why I am working on the exhaust, FMIC, intake, and even an oil catch can before I even consider a MBC. Like FM and Bell ENgineering already stated, the FS engine can handle 8 psi from a T3 turbo WITH proper fuel tuning. It is not the boost that kills the engine, but detonation.

 

[lamp3]

I think there is quite a bit of power potential for the car without turning up the boost. I.E. exhaust (BIG restriction!!). It's my opion that adressing the exhaust shoud be the first thing.

I dont plan on turning up the boost. Can't afford the money or the hassle of popping an engine. Have I given up the quest for more power??? Hell no!

 

[2K3 MSP]

if mazda wants to get into the market of import and the street racing scene they need to make something thats goign to last through kids and adults stupidity.

Yeah, let's convcince the manufacturers to make every economy car a pocket rocket.
If someone really wanted to make a good street racing car from the factory, they should upgrade the side impacts beams so when you lose control of your car at 60+mph, and you hit a tree or a telephone pole sideways, you won't rip your car in half and kill inoccent people along with your own stupid self.

 

[speedfrk]

""I love how when someone posts about installing a boost gauge and controller on their car, everyone's all happy for them but when they blow their engine, it turns in to "dam kids these days make me laugh"...

What great attitudes.""



Thats why I dont incourage ignorance but try to stay on the positive side of these things . I love my car sorry that some people cant apreciate one of the best handling cars for the cheapest price with huge possibilities for great power also.When done properly that is. I think I have a great attitude !

 

[lamp3]

exactly. I hear so much bitching!!! For me, I paid 16,000 for ONE HELL OF a CAR for the money!! Period.

 

[lamp3]

The way so many ppl talk, You'd think all they know how to do is go in a straight line!! As far as power goes, this thing is a monster compared to my old mp3. Is it a vette or evo? No. But back to my point above I only paid around 16 g's for it.

 

[03MSPRO]

what puzzles me is how many vendors on this board have "upgrades" for boosting 12+ psi on stock internals a no fuel management?????

 

[Meatstick]

This statement is what i cant stand. Im sorry but this is the typical BS i hear day in and day out. Have you ever taken apart a ford 302??
Really im not trying to be a dick but to come to that conclusion is silly.
We are talking about 2 engines that have absolutely no similarities to each other.
I wouldnt even begin to brag about a car that makes 200 WHP and has 2.5 times the displacement value.
I could go on and on about ford and the " big three" mentality about muscle cars.
Also i guess you dont really know why the MSP was brought to the market.
my 2 1/2 cents

Maybe you dont read so well what I said was it handled the BOOST WITH NO PROBLEMS I never said that it was an outstanding motor that made 100hp per liter. But I never had a days worth of trouble with the motor and here were talking about a engine that cant handle and extra 5 lbs of boost
Great way to work it through
MEAT