XEDE Engine Management System Available Soon!
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1) I have a Mac. I need a PC to upload maps.Captain KRM P5 said:
2) I don't want to have to learn how to program my computer. I just don't. I probably wouldn't even install any of my upgrades - I'd have a reputable tuner do it. I don't have a garage and I can't be without my car if I mess something up.
Well the XEDE base map should be good enough for the current and up and coming mods. So I am told. But goin back to Stephanie... I can understand having the maps available for download on the BEGi website. So instead... why not just list the maps currently available and the version or release date. This will let us know if we are up to date on our maps. Then you can say we have to call you to get the new maps if need be. This will ensure "you" by (on phone) asking us what car we have.. what mods.. etc.. etc... and you can send us the correct map... or tell us we were looking at the wrong one.. etc.. etc.. Then you send us the new map via email... and all is said and done. No worries of some numbnut downloading the wrong one... 
Just a thought.
Just a thought.I asked a mazda master tech on another forum and he said that their equipment can detect a reflash by cobb, which makes me think reflashing the ecu is not the way to go if you want to keep your waranty. Captain makes some good points, but I am still waiting for the competition to release their products so I can decide what tuning solution best suits my needs. This xede is an impressive unit, but I would like control of the throttle like cpe is shooting for.
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dread said:
we have that functionality in place on a different system already, which we will be announcing at some point soon
nondual said:
ok thats great, but has nothing to do with the ability of one system to tune a car over another system and is more a matter of your personal preference. pretty sure a windows emulator would solve number 1 for you, and - like any system for these cars - it would come with a very good base map that would show great gains. so yes you could install the XEDE and leave it alone as easily as another system and see gains. my own preference which i am sure is shared is that spending 700 to 1000 on an engine management system with no ability or desire to tune it, say for newer mods, is a waste of money and potential regardless of whatever system you settle on. a reputable tuner who can't install a system like this would frankly not be reputable. for the different mods you might add to the car, you'll want to tune or have someone tune your system to get the best results out of it. no system is going to tune itself.
this is why i was talking about different options we planned on offering. some for people who really don't want to get too involved, like yourself, and some for people who expect more. if you don't want to get your hands dirty thats alright by me and i understand there are people out there like that. but the discussion was related to the capabilities and features of given systems to tune the car, not your own personal preferences, no offense. just because you don't want to have a unit with these kinds of features does not make it inferior, which is what i am getting from your posts. lets not confuse the two.
nondual said:
no, because any time you play with engine management, you are taking that next step where there is greater inherent risk involved. its a gross exaggeration to say that this would be 'tearing the car apart'. its also already been said you don't have to map it if you don't want to. you wanted to know why the system cost more money, and its been stated plainly. honestly, it seems like you don't need the kind of features that a system like XEDE (or CP-E from what i know of it) would offer, so you should not buy it. its really a waste of money and potential for your purposes. you are vehemently opposed to the possiblity your car might be down for whatever reason, and i totally understand that. knowing that, i would honestly tell you not to consider engine management and save your money for bolt-ons like intake, exhaust, etc and nothing too intrusive if you want to be absolutely safe about it.
look at it this way - to get the most out of your 700 to 1000 dollar investment, you'll want to tune or have it tuned. this is why stock ECUs run so conservative and run so rich; because they are accounting for all weather and climate conditions as well as nuances car to car. its not because mazda wants to saddle you with a lousy air/fuel ratio, its them allowing the computer to be the jack of all trades and master of none because no matter how advanced these computers and thier sensors are, there needs to be that kind of generous tune to be able to sell the same car in Canada that they do in Texas per se. every EMS that is out there will have a "good" base map. to get the best out of it, especially as you mod down the line, you'll want to tune it. why spend the money if you don't want to have that ability? if you don't want something this intensive, thats fine, but that doesn't make the price unjustified nor does it render it inferior by the standards being discussed.
Wait, I get where you're confused.
I'm saying that if I want the Xede, I'd have a tuner install it, as well as all my other parts and any maps that need downloading.
I wasn't implying that installing the Xede, even without Plug and Play is an insurmountable challenge - what I was saying is that installing many of the other modifications sans garage would be.
I'm saying that if I want the Xede, I'd have a tuner install it, as well as all my other parts and any maps that need downloading.
I wasn't implying that installing the Xede, even without Plug and Play is an insurmountable challenge - what I was saying is that installing many of the other modifications sans garage would be.
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Ultimately, the time and all the money spend ... I think i will shoot for reliability and of course service.... As i am writing, my MS3 is in for a 2nd Cel, unfortunately they did not get the 1st p2006 fix and to further(enguard) complicate stuff, i was very frank at my MAzda survey and guess what ... the dealer gave me 2 calls today and lecture me that the fact that i badly survey them ... of course after paying 26 k for the car and .... its been 3days now and still not have my zoom zoom .. so .. 990 plus +++ for harnesss , I WILL TAKE reliability and CUSTOMER SERVICE.......... !period
WHO HAS THE BEST CUSTOMER SERVICE (one that smile) ( A cup of coffee would a plus) AROUND>> ... I AM CHANGING DEALERSHIP TO GO TO !
Ultimately, the time and all the money spend ... I think i will shoot for reliability and of course service.... As i am writing, my MS3 is in for a 2nd Cel, unfortunately they did not get the 1st p2006 fix and to further(enguard) complicate stuff, i was very frank at my MAzda survey and guess what ... the dealer gave me 2 calls today and lecture me that the fact that i badly survey them ... of course after paying 26 k for the car and .... its been 3days now and still not have my zoom zoom .. so .. 990 plus +++ for harnesss , I WILL TAKE reliability and CUSTOMER SERVICE.......... !period
WHO HAS THE BEST CUSTOMER SERVICE (one that smile) ( A cup of coffee would a plus) AROUND>> ... I AM CHANGING DEALERSHIP TO GO TO !
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mafanchai said:
thats insane. no dealer has a right to harass you for giving them a poor survey.
nondual said:
ah gotcha, thanks
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mazda dealers can be penalized or lose a good bit of thier 'holdback' cash if the surveys come back under 89% on average (wedge)dread said:
Smartest thing I heard, I know everybody wants something to meet there own agenda in tuning but they made this chip the way it is, if you want it buy it if not leave it alone and wait for something else. And like Grey said if you can't afford to have your car on down time or don't have the time or place to work on it than don't. Wait for something easier to come along and buy that part.CTGrey02 said:
Or just let your local tuner work on your car?WTF MATE said:
That's all I was saying. I had a garage when I had my motorcycle, so I attempted successfully some of the upgrades/replacements (handlebar upgrade, brake and clutch pedals) because I felt reasonably sure I could complete them and I had a roommate with a car if I needed to head down to the Suzuki parts people or Autozone.
nondual said:
I meant no disrespect by telling you to leave it stock. I'm trying to save you a major headache. You've stated many times now your a traveling RN. Having to depend on your car as a dependable daily driver, and then modifying it is asking for trouble. I don't care who does the work. If a car is designed to work with in a set of parameters and you modify the vehicle to run outside those parameters, you invite a level of risk of break down that didn't exist when the car was stock. If you want a fast toy, stick to either a bike, or buy an old mustang (or car X) and modify that so you don't have to worry if the thing breaks on ya. I have a 400 RWHP beast in my garage and my daily drivers have never been modified because I simply rely too heavily on my transportation to risk having it broken. Your car is part of your livelihood. Do with it as you wish, but realize the inherent risk. Your's already broke once when it was stock. Do you really trust it with more power? How about when the warranty claim gets denied? Just my 2 cents.
StephanieT
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That is certain an idea I would entertain. Hmm. I will think about it some more. I guess I have gotten used to all the MSM and miata people e-mailing a request.JimmyMac said:Well the XEDE base map should be good enough for the current and up and coming mods. So I am told. But goin back to Stephanie... I can understand having the maps available for download on the BEGi website. So instead... why not just list the maps currently available and the version or release date. This will let us know if we are up to date on our maps. Then you can say we have to call you to get the new maps if need be. This will ensure "you" by (on phone) asking us what car we have.. what mods.. etc.. etc... and you can send us the correct map... or tell us we were looking at the wrong one.. etc.. etc.. Then you send us the new map via email... and all is said and done. No worries of some numbnut downloading the wrong one...
As for controlling throttle - The Xede can do that if needed. However, in this application it is not needed, nor was there an increase in efficiency or power.
Stephanie
CPE claims the throttle is what pulls power after 5500 rpms. If the throttle is controlled then the powerband can be opened up. Xede provides huge gains but the powerband is almost identicle to stock, I would like power to come on sooner and last longer. Flooring my ms3 reminds me of the first time I had sex, it felt so good, but was over too quick. I want it to last longer.
