wow! a BAD Mazdaspeed3 Review!!

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93 Blk/Red RX-7
They give it 2 out of 5 stars. Their main complaint: too much torque for a FWD...

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12929-2522525,00.html



Mazda3 MPS

A classic abuse of power

Would you be so silly as to buy a car without driving it? If you looked at the specification of the new Mazda3 MPS, you just might. On paper it doesnt matter whether you compare it with the VW Golf GTI, Vauxhall Astra VXR, Ford Focus ST-2 or Mgane RenaultSport 225; it beats them all for power, acceleration and speed. Unlike the Ford and VW it doesnt cost extra for five doors and, at 18,995, it is the cheapest, too. Case closed, then.
Er, not quite. Rarely can such raw data give more than a guide to a cars abilities indeed they often serve to obscure more important qualities such as ride, handling and enjoyment. Such is the case here.
Admittedly this is the fastest of the Golf-class fast hatches. Powered by a turbocharged 2.3 litre four-cylinder motor it attempts to direct 256bhp to the road through the front wheels.
Now Im going to mention torque, and before your eyes glaze over and you remind me this is not Autocar, it is important. When you accelerate it is torque, not power, that you feel. And the problem with torque when its directed through the front wheels is that it tends to have undesirable effects on the steering.
Most manufacturers shy away from creating front-drive cars with much more than 200 lb ft of torque. Take the VW Golf: in GTI form it has 207 lb ft of torque and front-wheel drive, but when you upgrade to the R32 model with 236 lb ft of torque, VW uprates the car to four-wheel drive, so the maximum torque each wheel needs to handle is in effect halved. The Mazda3 MPS has 280 lb ft of torque, every last bit of which has to go through the front wheels.
Its too much. For while this is a stunningly fast car (its 0-62mph time of 6.1sec may sound quick but it would be at least 0.5sec quicker if it were rear or four-wheel drive), it is not a particularly fun car. And this is why: the only reason for buying a car like this is to make the most of its performance, but it wont let you.
Put your foot down and as the acceleration builds so does the side-to-side tugging at the steering. If you persevere and if the road is at all damp (as it was during my week with the car), the front wheels will soon lose traction in first, second and occasionally even third gear, despite the fitment of a limited slip differential designed to stop precisely that. Press on further and the traction control will simply cut the power. And this is when youre travelling in a straight line.
In an attempt to try to string a few wet corners together I turned the traction control off, but this made things worse. If you push it hard, as its styling and engine power invite, it requires more effort than a modern family hatch should to keep it pointing in the desired direction.
The shame is that I can see how tantalisingly close to being a decent car the Mazda3 comes. It looks good, steers nicely until you put your foot down and even offers reasonable accommodation.
Its well equipped, with standard climate control, cruise control, part leather sports seats and electric everything. Theres a slick six-speed gearbox and excellent brakes. Even the engine can hardly be blamed: it sounds purposeful and has minimal turbo lag for such a high output.
No, the only thing that went wrong was when the engineers decided it was okay to up the power and leave everything else the same. It wasnt, and the result undermines the car.
If Mazda had kept the engine as it is, provided all-wheel drive and put two grand on the price, or if it left the car alone but dropped power and torque by 20% and lopped two grand off the price, either result would have been better. What is most puzzling is not simply how the same people who make drivers cars as good as the MX-5 and RX-8 could get this so wrong, but the fact that this engine can also be found in the Mazda6 MPS, a fine and underrated machine. Why does it succeed where the Mazda3 fails? Three little words: four-wheel drive. If it had it, I suspect the Mazda3 MPS would be a winner; without it, it is at best a flawed also-ran.

Model Mazda3 MPS
Engine type 2261cc, four cylinders
Power/Torque 256bhp @ 5500rpm / 280 lb ft @ 3000rpm
Transmission Six-speed manual
Fuel/CO2 29.1mpg (combined) / 231g/km
Performance 0-62mph: 6.1sec / Top speed: 155mph
Price 18,995
Verdict Nice idea, shame about the execution
Rating Two stars (out of five)
 
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I wonder what tires were on it? Test driving a tubo'ed vehicle for a week in the rain would not result in a very accurate review especially without the good rubber.
 
A whole lot of griping for some torque steer... and the handling in wet pavement.. oh come on please ANY AND ALL 2WD drive cars with butt loads of power will handle like crap on wet pavement - front OR rear wheel drive... this is the guy who probably thinks the Corvette C6 is an also ran because it too will lose its rear end on wet weather if pushed hard....

While Im not a blind diehard fan that will piss off any bad review I think this guy blew the torque steer way out of proportion... an if you drop the price by 3 grand you are in normal 3 territory and if you up it by 3 grand you will get eaten by the sharks called subi and evo
 
This review means nothing when the author of it says the RX-8 is a good drivers car. (shocked) (yupnope)
 
This wouldn't be the first bad review. A couple of others (such as Top Gear), also from UK, gave the MS3 not so stellar ratings. ^_^;;

Mocoso said:
While Im not a blind diehard fan that will piss off any bad review I think this guy blew the torque steer way out of proportion... an if you drop the price by 3 grand you are in normal 3 territory and if you up it by 3 grand you will get eaten by the sharks called subi and evo

I agree with Mocoso on this one. I've driven FWD cars all my life, and I don't feel any major torque steer in the MS3 as much as my other cars (such as the RSX).
 
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the torque steer isn't that bad, and I think its fun, I think mazda did a wonderful job controlling it. Of course awd would be better, but it would cost more. Lets also remember that there are a lot more hot hatches in europe to compare the ms3 with, I wish we had all those choices. Most bad reviews have come from overseas.
 
Hikaru9 said:
This wouldn't be the first bad review. A couple of others (such as Top Gear), also from UK, gave the MS3 not so stellar ratings. ^_^;;

Top Gear doesnt count... that show is just a comedy hour... guy will b**** and moan about anything not made in Europe....(peep)
 
BAH! That writers probably got spaghetti arms!

TORQUE STEER SEPARATES THE MEN FROM THE BOYS.......:)
 
Mocoso said:
Top Gear doesnt count... that show is just a comedy hour... guy will b**** and moan about anything not made in Europe....(peep)

Agreed. Fun to watch, useless reviews


I mean an NSX beating a C6 Vette in a drag race? GIVE ME A BREAK!
 
Why does everyone gripe when a fwd car with over 200hp and any reasonable amount of torque breaks the front tires loose and has torque steer?
 
this car is not a family hatch hence why they have the mazda 3 hatch this car is for the sport enthusist's but w/e to each his own I suppose
 
Matthew1785 said:
this car is not a family hatch hence why they have the mazda 3 hatch this car is for the sport enthusist's but w/e to each his own I suppose


Sport enthusiast on a budget and with some practical requirements :) (like taking two kids to daycare...)
 
Mocoso said:
Top Gear doesnt count... that show is just a comedy hour... guy will b**** and moan about anything not made in Europe....(peep)

I was referring to the Top Gear magazine as we're talking about magazines in this thread. ^_^;;

True, the guys on the TV show will rail on anything that's not an Aston Martin (but it's still entertaining to watch when they do stuff like Aigo soccer *^_^*)
 
Mocoso said:
Top Gear doesnt count... that show is just a comedy hour... guy will b**** and moan about anything not made in Europe....(peep)
Except the MS6, which he loved. I agree about the show. It's entertainment first and foremost, information last.

He's right about the MS3 in wet weather. My turbo GTI would have done the same thing if I was pumping out the power my MS3 is. I was trying to get my GTI to that point, but bought the MS3 instead. The violence of stomping this car in lower gears is why I bought it. If I wanted a finely tuned car with impeccable balance, I'd have bought an Elise. The R32 he mentioned is a great car but it weighs 3600lbs. Pitch one of those hard into a turn and trust me, it feels every bit of 3600lbs.
 
Mocoso said:
Top Gear doesnt count... that show is just a comedy hour... guy will b**** and moan about anything not made in Europe....(peep)

he also loved the vette. that was the only car he actually laughed in bc he was having so much fun. then he faced against the tvr saggaris and the vette got it's a$$ handed to it. lol
 
SwampAss said:
Except the MS6, which he loved.

He also said this though.

"I like this Mazda very much, but I don't know if I can live with that radiator-grill. It's like you've met the best girl you've ever seen, but she's got a beard"

puhaha~ *^_^*
 
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