who wants a side mount ic?

[Horse]

Tube and fin design has better cooling only because its so much more restrictive than bar and plate. The air spends more time in the IC so it cools better. You have a larger pressure drop, more lag with a tube and fin design, so bar and plate will always beat it in the end. The side mount location is not that bad for an intercooler, youre just limited in space.

Are you smoking crack?

Tube and fin is more efficient because of its larger heat exchanger surface area-

What would make you think that it is because of its restrictions? Granted it is a bit more restrictive - BUT it is WAY more efficient -

And as for when Tube and Fin is better on an MSP - ill give you one-

OUR FRIGGEN CARS! (screwy)
Most of our stock mount intercooler is not in direct airflow - thus it will benefit more from a more efficient heat exchanger design becaus eyou need to dissapate more heat with less effective airflow-

Like it was said above- On a FMIC the bar and plate is WAY better because of direct airflow and tougher construction. A rock hitting a fin design crushes fins and makes then an airflow resriction -on a bar it hits it and worse case dents one- still not a flow issue-

Its called Fluid dynamics- I have been reading a lot about different heat exchangers recently -
If you need to go look up Carroll Smith, Read his How To . . . series.

 

[Notorious]

The protosport IC was a bar and plate direct replacement over the stock tube and fin and it had much better results over the stock tube/fin IC. You got it wrong, bar and plate has a larger heat dissipation surface area. Citing numerously in turbo magazine, SCC, Mike Kojima's Suck Squish Bang Blow, and Rob Cadle at Garrett engine boosting systems. If tube and fine was better why does every top team run bar and plate instead?

In a tube and fin IC, the tubes are ROUND. this makes it so that in a given height, you have less surface area. Bar and plate is SQAURE, which has more surface area than a same height circle. The fins on an IC are flat on the bottom. With a Bar and Plate, its SQAURE tubes will contact the fins more.

0.5*3.14 = 1.57 tube/fin
0.5*4=2 bar/plate

both are the same height, the contact area on the bar/plate is greater

We have tube/fin on our cars ONLY because its the one designed for diesel proteges. Not because it was really designed for our application. It just saved mazda money. The stock location is not as bad for air flow as you think, not nearly as well as front mount but it is getting a decent amount of air.
Still think im smoking crack?

Are you smoking crack?

Tube and fin is more efficient because of its larger heat exchanger surface area-

What would make you think that it is because of its restrictions? Granted it is a bit more restrictive - BUT it is WAY more efficient -

And as for when Tube and Fin is better on an MSP - ill give you one-

OUR FRIGGEN CARS! (screwy)
Most of our stock mount intercooler is not in direct airflow - thus it will benefit more from a more efficient heat exchanger design becaus eyou need to dissapate more heat with less effective airflow-

Like it was said above- On a FMIC the bar and plate is WAY better because of direct airflow and tougher construction. A rock hitting a fin design crushes fins and makes then an airflow resriction -on a bar it hits it and worse case dents one- still not a flow issue-

Its called Fluid dynamics- I have been reading a lot about different heat exchangers recently -
If you need to go look up Carroll Smith, Read his How To . . . series.

 

[Horse]

Still think im smoking crack?

No but I am -


(freak)

Found this- http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/focuswrc03_engine.jpg

And I found many more as well - seems all the WRC teams this year are running Plate type- although the older pics I can find all have tube and fin (dunno)

The other data I have is for sports car and openwheel racing - they all use tube and fin - btu it seems that the WRC guys are all running plate-
I think its back to the durability - the WRC cars run with very important dangers - the Road guys run on essentially closed circuits- less danger to cars from "foreign" object-

count me cracktified- (chair)

 

[HASE]

I am interested as well.

 

[marashka]

interested

 

[blubyu21117]

(thumb) saign me up, if the price is reasonable.

 

[ONRAILS]

Yep... I'm interested.

 

[ONRAILS]

Yep... I'm interested.

bump... don't wanna lose track of this one.

 

[Dr.Sound]

very very very interested.
300-350 bux and i'm in.
400 might be pushing it.

 

[mattybo]

yes, you def need to keep us updated. There would be such a huge market for this if the price was reasonable!!

 

[pip7441622]

Another idea that popped into my head...develop something that we can attach to the lower front grille area that would help route oncoming air while moving to the intercooler. I'm sure this could be fabriacted using a simple peice of leightweight metal. Maybe you could toss that into the package to make the new intercooler even more effecient.

 

[mattybo]

Another idea that popped into my head...develop something that we can attach to the lower front grille area that would help route oncoming air while moving to the intercooler. I'm sure this could be fabriacted using a simple peice of leightweight metal. Maybe you could toss that into the package to make the new intercooler even more effecient.

You mean like a ram air for the IC? I dont think there is much more you can do honestly...I think you would probably end up restricting it more than helping it.

 

[jfuller]

make it!

 

[biochembruin]

If it works with the injen intake (which it should as a direct fit replacement for the stock smic) I'll buy it.

 

[pip7441622]

You mean like a ram air for the IC? I dont think there is much more you can do honestly...I think you would probably end up restricting it more than helping it.

Well its just that the intercooler is so out of the way of fresh oncoming air, being on the side and all, so if it were possible to divert some directly onto the intercooler, that woule be nice.

 

[wicked]

we took measurements for it and were going to use a 4" core (probaly spearco)w/ alluminum end tanks . but I have a question to ask all of you but it has to wait till i get a reply from t3ase.I pm' ed him earlier(dance)

 

[Dr.Sound]

bah!
dang dude! 4 inch!!! AWESOME!!!!!!

 

[Brian MP5T]

Wasn't there already a thread on this subject??? Did that one pan out or did it just turn to GOO???

 

[Dr.Sound]

i think the other people (forge) are working on theirs, but it wont be ready by the end of the summer or something. they got other projects going on.

 

[Brian MP5T]

i think the other people (forge) are working on theirs, but it wont be ready by the end of the summer or something. they got other projects going on.

Thats ******* stupid... To hype a product and get everyone interested...just to launch it some time in the fall...when no one wants it (Winter)

(screwy)​