Who makes the supercharger for the P5

[Monstermile]

Thanks... helped a bit... I assume that since superchargers are almost twice the price of the turbochargers they are that much better... correct?

Price range can go a higher or lower than a turbo depending on what is included. And what is better is a matter of opinion, taste and what you are looking for. People argue all day, every day on car forums about which one is better. My personal preference is for an s/c just for the simple fact that you can get good amount of torque without heavy engine modification. I'll take massive torque over super high hp any day.

 

[grishulia]

...you can get good amount of torque without heavy engine modification. I'll take massive torque over super high hp any day.

That be great, I do want to get more torgue but don't care much for high HP...

...so how reliable are those S/C's since there was a mention of engine block cracking?

 

[Monstermile]

Superchargers themselves are very reliable and very low maintence. The problem you run into is with too much boost on an unmodified engine. But you'll run into that with a turbo too.

 

[grishulia]

But the boost can be regulated right?

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

It all depends on how you run them..for instance..we ran our 7.2L Trans-Am (that is was fully built mind you) at 9psi on the blower. I don't know what you would run a 2.0L motor at..But it wouldn't bet that much.. It doesn't work like tubine boost. I'll take a look at the focus superchargers and see about retrofitting..

 

[grishulia]

What could be the torgue with the supercharger?

 

[Monstermile]

I don't know if it can be regulated with an s/c or not. I haven't studied that far into them. I do know that you can make modifications to raise or lower the boost with different pullies. I'm not a mechanic so I can't really get into the techie aspects of it.

 

[Monstermile]

What could be the torgue with the supercharger?

Example with the Focus SVT:

Stock 129 ft-lbs
With Jackson Racing s/c: 155 ft-lbs

Those are at the wheel numbers not at the crank. But Jackson is not the best out there. And see my post above about the Miata s/c from Kenne Bell. Dunno exactly what stock torque is but 230@2500rpm is pretty sweet.

 

[grishulia]

Yeah... 26 ft-lbs is not much for $4-5K...

...but Miata's base is 125 ft-lbs, so 105 ft-lbs boost is amazing.

If P5 could get to 200 ft-lbs I'll gladly spend $5K on it.

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

For example..a small pulley kit on our cars would feasibly bring us up to say 130-140lbs of torque. A big pulley kit, which would most likely require motor prepping i.e. low compression pistons, stronger rods, stronger wrist pins..or floating pins..either way, so on and so forth..Just like with high boost from a turbo..you'll need the equip to manage it. Most Supercharger kits available rely on a well balanced, well managed small pulley kit. Which is the best bang for your buck if your running off pump gas. I'd say just as a guesstimate. expect to see 40-45% gains on torque and 50-55% gains on crank HP. The gains of HP are lower than they are on turbo's, but the gains of torque is where the money is.

 

[Monstermile]

I'd be happy with 175 at the wheel. Dunno if I would put out $5k for it. Maybe $2.5-3k.

And the JRSC kit for the Focus can be had for under $3k. Still not that good of a $$$ vs. performance ratio IMO.

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

Have no false illusions though, turbo's and blowers cost a damn near fortune.. If you want big gains..Take out your motor..complete rebuild. You'll be ready for a big spindle blower and run 300ft-lbs..its compeletly possible..just gotta have the money and the time.

 

[grishulia]

...I'd say just as a guesstimate. expect to see 40-45% gains on torque and 50-55% gains on crank HP....

But would these gains require other engine mods besides adding the S/C... i didn't fully understant your post...

 

[cheesiespr5]

im glad to see this is getting some response

Thanks to ummm Razor I think it was you that started this. I am gonna try my hardest to get ahold of Whipple again its been a game of phone tag since day one. Like i said if enough people can commit it can definately be done. The next time I talk with them I will try to get some ruff specs on what they can do for our car and what kind of package they could offer us. I know Im not alone when saying that a supercharger would kick ass so please keep the comments coming as I need all of this to show that there is support for a s/c and that it would be worth their time.
Thanks again everyone for the support of our cars. -Cheesie

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

you also have to remember something, your bolt-ons will drastically increase their effectiveness!. For example. A buddy of mine has an SVT Focus. She has had it for about a year now. She just got a INJEN cold-air..I'm not sure of the brand. Anyway, that alone showed substantial gains! block-back exhaust paired with an intake would show substantial gains.. Engine management and proper tuning would send your gains through the roof..remember..its not what you buy for your motor..its how you tune it..

 

[deckedoutmp5]

I'd be happy with 175 at the wheel. Dunno if I would put out $5k for it. Maybe $2.5-3k.

And the JRSC kit for the Focus can be had for under $3k. Still not that good of a $$$ vs. performance ratio IMO.

you only want the JRSC on a svt if you get it for a normal focus they suck BAD. turbo tom in the man though.


plus our mazdas and SC, blah, go turbo. area 51's is just a centrafugal, belt driven hell i dont think it even kicks in full until 5.

 

[grishulia]

Sounds good but I want to see significant gain without too much work... I'm more willing to part with the money than the time...

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

no, my orginally guesstimate would rely soley on stock conditions. aftermarket companies always use stock conditions to rate their equipment..

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

yea belt driven on our car's would be a waste..whipple's twin screw is a great blower though..highly praised on 4 cylinders. i had a paxton on our trans-am which generated 701lb-ft @ 3800RPM @ 9psi

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

I think that might just be enough torque to satisfy anyone