Who here thinks all stock turbos will smoke eventually?

[Trader]

I have a feeling that the mazdaspeed3's will fall into two categories.

1. Cars with turbos that are smoking now and,
2. Cars with turbos that are not smoking.... but will be smoking soon!!

I have a hunch that all the stock turbos at some point will start smoking, it is just a matter of time. Of course the exhaust modifications probably help speed the problem along, but if these turbos are that sensitive to start having seal problems with just a dp and or test pipe than my guess is that at 60k - 80k miles 90% of these cars will be smoking.

&&^&%^ Mazda sucks!!

THey are obviously trying to sweep the problem under the rug and hoping that most of the cars start having an issue out of warrantee to avoid a full out recall.

If this turbo gets recalled it would be for all MS3's, MS6's, and CX7's. That is a lot of turbos to replace for a company that is currently cash strapped.

I am hereing that Mazda is replacing the original turbos with new turbos with a different part number. So can anybody with these turbos chime in and say if they have had any problems?

If this fixes the problem then my plan will be to make sure my turbo smokes by getting a dp and test pipe asap, to get a free replacement turbo before my warrantee is up.

 

[Silver Ecstasy]

I was real paranoid about that, but reality is, if it blows, oh well.

There supposedly is a new part number but the reality is Mazda designed this setup, and Ford is using it and calling it "EcoBoost". For EcoBoost, Honeywell (maker of Garrett) won the bid to supply the turbos. If there is ANY kind of recall or TSB in the future, they will supply new Honeywell/Ford replacement types. That is pretty much a fact. I'm sure it'll be restricted on what mods you have.

I can't wait to do exhaust, lol.

 

[Turninconcepts]

There is no reason that the turbo would die just because an exhaust is installed. Now if the boost is upped, I can see it dying faster.

 

[ZyrehT]

24k with no smoke, kinda doubt it will.

 

[khoney]

24k with no smoke, kinda doubt it will.

24K without smoke, 29K with smoke, kinda expect it might. (stock, btw)

 

[arkenzo]

24K without smoke, 29K with smoke, kinda expect it might. (stock, btw)

uh,. ok?

 

[oaklandopen]

anyone just replaced this one with a ball bearing one that produces the same power output?

 

[ZyrehT]

24K without smoke, 29K with smoke, kinda expect it might. (stock, btw)

I'm not stock so how do you figure? Just because you don't give you car time to cool down don't bet it will happen to me.

 

[NCZ13]

this is the stupidest thread ever. blaming a company on a problem that hasnt happened yet.

 

[mckraut]

I just did a real quick search and dug up all of the "my turbo is smoking" threads I could find and came up with about ten. Does anyone have an idea of how many MS3 owners we have on the site? The MS3 Roll Call thread shows almost 700 posts, but of course that only gives us a very vague idea of how many owners we have.

 

[mo08ms3]

I just did a real quick search and dug up all of the "my turbo is smoking" threads I could find and came up with about ten. Does anyone have an idea of how many MS3 owners we have on the site? The MS3 Roll Call thread shows almost 700 posts, but of course that only gives us a very vague idea of how many owners we have.

Thats what I like to hear, positive posts. Thank you. I hope my turbo doesn't smoke and expect it not to. I have a 2008.5 with almost 14k miles and no problems with the car yet.

 

[Bravnik]

I have over 30k on my 2007 Speed and no smoke to date. I don't rag my car but I don't baby it ether. I drive almost 100miles a day to and from work as well. If it does end up smoking, I will just get a reworked turbo.

 

[fastdreams]

Well, almost all turbos will blow EVENTUALLY.

As far as premature failures, well that depends on your perspective.

As with many things, it depends on use.

It does appear that several people have had premature failure issues.

Even if it becomes somewhat of an epidemic, I would be shocked if Mazda recalled anything. It's in their best interest to play the numbers, chances are most turbos will not fail before the warranty expires. If it does, there are probably going to be those that are denied because of mods.

If my turbo pops I'll just buy a reworked turbo and call it a day.

 

[Silver Ecstasy]

I wouldn't say "never" on the recall though. Ford recently commissioned Honeywell with producing turbos for the EcoBoost engines. Honeywell=Garrett. If it gets worse with time, and if the EcoBoost engines prove solid, then we could see oursleves with a recall/or heavy TSB in place for smoking turbos.

 

[ElGaspo]

I have a hunch that all the stock turbos at some point will start smoking, it is just a matter of time.

in the parlance of my ancestors: "Vade retro, Satanas" <get thee behind me, Satan>. in the immortal words of Judas Priest: "Better by you, better than me." in my own words: "thanx a helluva lot for wishing ill on our cars. what'd we ever do to YOU?"

mine is 2 yrs old but only 5k mi; no problems of ANY kind [doesn't burn a SINGLE DROP of oil] , and i've let it idle at length to allay my fears of impending doom. once again: no thanx - you first. <knocks on wood, makes the evil eye sign and spits between forked fingers> (eekfu)

 

[bova80]

switch to a 5w40 oil and your smoking worries will dissapear.

 

[Trader]

I just did a real quick search and dug up all of the "my turbo is smoking" threads I could find and came up with about ten. Does anyone have an idea of how many MS3 owners we have on the site? The MS3 Roll Call thread shows almost 700 posts, but of course that only gives us a very vague idea of how many owners we have.

Ummm....

Did you see this thread:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123691179

I went through all 42 pages of only this thread and found 59 people with smoking turbos.

Some of these people got a new replacement turbo from the dealer and then that one started smoking as well.

 

[mckraut]

Ummm....

Did you see this thread:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123691179

I went through all 42 pages of only this thread and found 59 people with smoking turbos.

Some of these people got a new replacement turbo from the dealer and then that one started smoking as well.

Ahh, did not see that one. Like I said, I did a quick search, nothing extensive. So now we know of 59 positive turbo smokings (from this site) out of how many MS3s sold? I heard somewhere that 5000 a year are made for the U.S., but I could be wrong.

 

[Alexsered]

COBB had a good write up on adding a PCV valve and a oil catch can that could possibly protect the turbo's from smoking. I will be doing this and it's a very simple mod for the potential protection of the turbos.

I understand the simple concept of how this works, but I'm not expert on how the internals operate.

 

[bova80]

and for those that are weary of going to 5w40 cause it isn't recommended in the manual, it is actually one of the recommended types in the euro/austrailian model so it will be just fine. the thicker weight will help prevent the oil from getting by the seals and leaking into the exhaust causing the smoking problem. 5w40 is actually a better oil to use anyway since these cars see dilution in the oil from fuel and more often then not when you are ready to change your oil it could have gone from a 5w30 to a 5w20.

and many of those that get their oil changed at the dealer have said that sometimes the dealer has put in 5w20 which in all cases is just wrong.