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Because America has draconian laws regarding EPA related things.
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Because America has draconian laws regarding EPA related things.
"Black carbon, a component of diesel pollution, is also one of the largest drivers of climate change. Black carbon is a form of particulate matter emitted by diesels (and other sources) that warms the atmosphere by absorbing sunlight and radiating heat into the air (like a blacktop road). It can also darken snow and ice, and directly accelerate melting. The United States has the highest per-capita emissions of black carbon in the world, with more than half coming from diesel engines."
http://www.catf.us/methane/black_carbon/diesel/
http://www.catf.us/methane/black_carbon/diesel/
The regulations on diesel emissions can hardly be considered "draconian" when these are the very emissions that threaten the climate of our only home and there are no other planets within practical migration distance that can provide for human life in the way that our own earth can.
If anything, the regulations are far too little and far too late when you consider what's at stake.
Chris_Top_Her
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On the contrary; gmc and dodge are putting small diesels in cars and trucks.
True, but think about how much more these new, cleaner burning diesels cost compared to the simple, old tech diesels. Imagine how much better off Americans would be if we didn't have all those draconian EPA laws and could be more free like communist China.
Or, how about Kazakhstan:
Or perhaps things would be better if we could be more like Jakarta:
Those draconian EPA rules are just silly. A little black carbon never hurt nobody:
Humans are well adapted to black carbon, we have built in filters:
Not sure why everyone is so worried about this. Lung cancer, you say? That's just a bunch of greenies using scare tactics to shove their environmental agenda down our throats! Nobody dies of lung cancer - that's what surgeons are for. I happen to like the smell of diesel in the morning.
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Yeah, I can see MikeM's point. But the US is falling behind on clean diesel technology and regulation. We fully adapted ultra-low-sulfur diesel fuel as late as 2010 on highway diesel fuel but EU had started to implement in 2005! Railroad locomotive and marine diesel fuel changed to ULSD in 2012 and for every diesel applications in 2014.True, but think about how much more these new, cleaner burning diesels cost compared to the simple, old tech diesels. Imagine how much better off Americans would be if we didn't have all those draconian EPA laws and could be more free like communist China.
I can't speak for other countries, but I do understand the picture you showed from "Communist China" is caused by desert storm from Gobi Desert in Northern China and Mongolia which had nothing to do with black carbon and diesel engine! China is planting MILLIONS of trees along that area to slow down the desert development due to population growth and lack of rain. I personally saw it and I simply don't believe any other government can accomplish that task in such short period of time! China does have big problems on pollution, but I can see the government is working on some problems with the scale of no other country in the world could do it.
Lung cancer? Everybody knows smoking cigarettes is the main cause. How many Americans know when Taiwan stopped importing US cigarettes, the US government forced Taiwan re-importing US cigarettes in the name of "free trade" or higher import duty would be imposed against all Taiwanese goods?
If we blame the climate change on black carbon and diesel engine, might as well blame the whole issue on too much population on earth!
Your understanding is incorrect, nothing to do with a sand storm, it's from the dirty burning of fossil fuels.
http://sputniknews.com/voiceofrussi...og-shuts-down-city-of-11-million-people-6597/
Of course smoking causes lung cancer, cigarette smoke is full of black carbon.
But in China today you have an explosion of lung cancers amongst people who have never smoked, some as young as 8 years old. Check this out:
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/dec/24/world/la-fg-china-lung-cancer-20131224
That would be happening in the U.S. if the EPA didn't have reasonable rules against polluting the air we all breath. No reasonable person could consider these important protections to the air we breath, "draconian".
It's not about placing blame - it's about identifying threats to our way of life and taking reasonable actions to protect it.
Climate change is due primarily to human factors and of course that is related to population and industrialization. But let's not say it's hopeless because we can't kill off 80% of all humans. Why not figure out how to live healthy, happy, productive lives while producing 80% less pollutants? Other civilizations have done exactly that (and this was more due to their lack of access to fossil fuels than a strategy to protect the planet they depended upon). I think with modern technology we can too.
Blaming it on population is just an excuse to do nothing while we cause our own slow demise. Utterly ridiculous when looked at from any rational perspective.
I wouldn't characterize our slow implementation of cleaner technologies as "falling behind". That makes it sound like we have the will but lack the technology. In actuality, our slow implementation is due to the greed of powerful fossil fuel interests and their lobbyists who convince Congress to delay new standards. It really is about greed and money over health and happiness. And, in the end, it's a very expensive path we are on in terms of health costs, food costs and length and quality of life. It's short term greed over long-term quality of life.
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Sorry this is way out of the topic here. But I have to say something about this to clarify. There were many incidents of pollution clouds and smog in northern and northeastern China due to desert storm from Gobi Desert and heavy coal usage for power generation. Your article said this incident happened in October 2013 which was caused by heavy coal use as northeastern China is heavy industry region, not from oil (fossil fuel) burning from gasoline or diesel engines or power generation. Using coal (although it's another form of fossil fuel) is the cheapest but the dirtiest way to generate electrical power. Unfortunately here in the US we have been mostly using coal to generate electricity and that's part of reason why the greenhouse-gas emissions per capita in the US ranked as high as top 14th country but China ranked way down at near 100th. We're simply lucky to have a lot more useful land but only 1/6 of population than China hence we can get pollution under control a lot easier. China has been planting millions of trees just in the last couple of years in northern region after a thick smog that covered the capital Beijing in early 2013 to reduce the ill effect of desert storms which contributed the smog. What have we done lately? And all these pollution clouds or smog in China had nothing to do with diesel engines and diesel fuel regulations we have been discussing in previous posts.
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Pics look like LA in the '60's. Yeah the EPA has proven useful in some respects, problematic local pollution, LA Basin for instance, interstate , international air and water pollution, etc. Probably have out lived it’s utility though.
Unfortunately they've become a self important, self absorbed extension of our current fascist style centralized gov’t. So bad in fact they keep loosing in courts including the SCOTUS. If you are offended by the term fascist look it up before you vent. It’s just another gov’t - economic system, that which we’ve unfortunately become. Prove me wrong if you need to vent....
yrwer52: Save your breath, the faithful will never concede to facts if it violates the religious dogma.
Unfortunately they've become a self important, self absorbed extension of our current fascist style centralized gov’t. So bad in fact they keep loosing in courts including the SCOTUS. If you are offended by the term fascist look it up before you vent. It’s just another gov’t - economic system, that which we’ve unfortunately become. Prove me wrong if you need to vent....
yrwer52: Save your breath, the faithful will never concede to facts if it violates the religious dogma.
Sorry but China's pollution is not solely attributable to coal, they burn 10.6 million barrels of oil products each and every day of the year. And most of the vehicles in China have very little clean burn technology as required by the EPA for vehicles here. It is a HUGE contributor to the smog problem and the cancer death explosion they are experiencing because the source of the pollution is right in the city streets and highways. While the generation of electricity with coal is a prime contributor also, they do not require the same scrubbing technology mandated by the EPA. Even with our regulations there are thousands of deaths in the U.S. every year due to fossil fuel pollution.
Actually, China's lack of regulations promoting the cleaner burning of diesel is a major contributor to their smog problem. To think otherwise is simply irrational.
That's hilarious. And I don't need to look up fascist to know what it means. But it seems you do, hence the hilarity of your comment. You do understand that the SCOTUS is one of the three branches of our government? And you are saying that they have been siding with industry, not the EPA (which was established to protect the public health and environment).
So I agree, there are elements of fascism described in your rant. But the fascism you describe is not because of the EPA but in spite of the EPA.
Hint: The EPA regulates the industrialists for the benefit of the people.
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Either that, or whenever Beijing has an international event (e.g. Olympics, APEC conference) it turns off desert storms or redirects the winds back towards the desert. ;-)
Beijing shut down factories and coal-burning power stations, and restricted traffic, to reduce air pollution before and during the 2008 Summer Games and the 2014 APEC conference. The result? Unusually blue skies over Beijing - "APEC blue", as Beijing residents labelled it.
Having just returned from 7 weeks in China, I can tell you that the air pollution there is terrible, and it's due to 1) soft coal-fired power stations, 2) dirty gasoline and diesel burned in an increasing number of vehicles with soft pollution control standards, 3) poorly controlled factory emissions, 4) Inattention to energy efficiency requiring more dirty power to heat and cool buildings. Yes, there are dust storms that blow into Beijing seasonally, and the worst photos are often taken during these storms. However, almost every day features unacceptably dirty air and typical visibility limits of 2 to 5 km.
It's funny how so many think that protecting people from the side-effects of actions taken by others is "fascism". What ever happened to the idea that one's freedom ends at the tip of one's nose? My right to do as I please is limited by your right to be unaffected by my actions. That isn't fascism. It's liberty. Just not the liberty to intrude on the rights of others as we please. My rights don't trump yours, and vice versa.
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Me, I would like to see a larger screen, rear air vents. I would also like to see the manual 2.5 version. I personally like the CX-3 and Mazda 3 - they look to have a wider stance that the CX-5 could use. From the rear, just looks to narrow.
Better interior lighting and a button to pop the rear hatch before getting out of the car would be nice!
Better interior lighting and a button to pop the rear hatch before getting out of the car would be nice!
boandlkramer
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Why is ford and Land Rover one of the only ones using metal "micro" wiring in the windshield for defrosting? I really liked this feature in my old Land Rover.
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