What have you done to your MSP today?

[IllaNoizeTV]

Would adding a turbo to a KL-ZE motor be a bad idea? And how much hp you think it'll have with a turbo. I'm thinking 230ish hp. I do believe however the klze is a higher compression motor so I don't think it'll sit well with a turbo.

 

[Valk]

With tune people have done it on lower boost levels. You could run 94 octane and extra modifiers like meth and nitrous but meh
If I buy the bjfw I'd prob sell the ze and put in a built de.

 

[thepope540]

Would adding a turbo to a KL-ZE motor be a bad idea? And how much hp you think it'll have with a turbo. I'm thinking 230ish hp. I do believe however the klze is a higher compression motor so I don't think it'll sit well with a turbo.

Yes its a good idea, KLZE is 200 hp stock + turbo at 8-9psi and you're closer to 300 hp, 10-12 psi and you get over 300 wheel. The ZE valve springs are weak and the higher compression bottom end doesn't like a ton of boost. The better KL engine uses a DE bottom end, DE valve springs, ZE heads, ZE cams, and ZE intake manifold. It likes boost a lot and breathes really well.

I've done it and it was fun, BUT

My current car will be MUCH simpler, lighter, easier to work on, it will run better in all weather conditions, it will require very little fiddling, and it will make just as much power at a fraction of the time, energy, and cost.

If you want a project go for it, if you want a fun car that you can more confidently use optimize the FS. 300 whp on the FS doesn't cost any more than 300 whp on a KL and you avoid all the added work of a swap.

 

[IllaNoizeTV]

Yes its a good idea, KLZE is 200 hp stock + turbo at 8-9psi and you're closer to 300 hp, 10-12 psi and you get over 300 wheel. The ZE valve springs are weak and the higher compression bottom end doesn't like a ton of boost. The better KL engine uses a DE bottom end, DE valve springs, ZE heads, ZE cams, and ZE intake manifold. It likes boost a lot and breathes really well.

I've done it and it was fun, BUT

My current car will be MUCH simpler, lighter, easier to work on, it will run better in all weather conditions, it will require very little fiddling, and it will make just as much power at a fraction of the time, energy, and cost.

If you want a project go for it, if you want a fun car that you can more confidently use optimize the FS. 300 whp on the FS doesn't cost any more than 300 whp on a KL and you avoid all the added work of a swap.

Right on. Thank you for your insight. I plan on keeping this car til the wheels fall off so with that being said, my goal is to have a fun, reliable car that at least has 200hp or more that I can daily. I'm not forged so I know that puts a lot of limitation on it. For now like I said, I wanna do the exhaust mani and downpipe combo which should put me right at 200hp. Afterwards, buy my house, then ill buy a donor, forge it, then aim for 250hp or so.

 

[blackmsp003]

Haven't been on this thread in a while. Due to having a speed 3 now. Sad to see this is still way more active haha. I miss my msp's soo bad.

 

[IllaNoizeTV]

Haven't been on this thread in a while. Due to having a speed 3 now. Sad to see this is still way more active haha. I miss my msp's soo bad.

It's nice to have a former msp owner comment. Question, once you got the speed3 did you feel any regrets? What were the pros and cons if you don't mind me asking?

 

[thepope540]

Right on. Thank you for your insight. I plan on keeping this car til the wheels fall off so with that being said, my goal is to have a fun, reliable car that at least has 200hp or more that I can daily. I'm not forged so I know that puts a lot of limitation on it. For now like I said, I wanna do the exhaust mani and downpipe combo which should put me right at 200hp. Afterwards, buy my house, then ill buy a donor, forge it, then aim for 250hp or so.

One of my customers just made 312 whp/ 325 wtq at only 17 psi on my parts and a forged bottom end.

 

[blackmsp003]

I've had three ms3's and two msp's and looking at another msp now. lol. They both have had a lot of pros and cons. Personally my biggest thing was the rarity of the msp. I love having a car you don't see everywhere and surprisingly I always got more compliments with the msp's. You get a lot more power and boost from the ms3 but when it comes down to handling the msp is one of the best handling cars I've ever driven stock.

 

[OThree.5]

I test drove the MS3.. it was black on black and I liked it, but $11K for 105K on the odometer was still too pricey for me... and I hear about that block getting rods shot right through it... thats a little scary// although the factory boost level is pretty sweet.. I ended up getting the MSP and it was a rough start, but I really like it now and even though I am in the middle of a cash dump on this thing, I am still under (or right around) $4K.

 

[IllaNoizeTV]

One of my customers just made 312 whp/ 325 wtq at only 17 psi on my parts and a forged bottom end.

Wow. Great to know. Im not going to go to that much power cuz then I have to start building the tranny but I'm pretty sure I can get to 250 with all your mods,forged bottom, and 7-10psi

I've had three ms3's and two msp's and looking at another msp now. lol. They both have had a lot of pros and cons. Personally my biggest thing was the rarity of the msp. I love having a car you don't see everywhere and surprisingly I always got more compliments with the msp's. You get a lot more power and boost from the ms3 but when it comes down to handling the msp is one of the best handling cars I've ever driven stock.

Thank you bro. Def good to know.

 

[blackmsp003]

No problem. And to go with what 0Three.5 just said. Yea I just bought an 07 Speed 3 with 104,000 miles last month and it is now currently parked. Apparently the VVT failed which according to Mazda is a common problem and is an expensive fix and a lot of labor. Doing the repair myself, but parts alone ran me about $600 and hoping for no other damage.

 

[Valk]

Was gonna buy fittings today but forgot to bring my oio supply line with me. Is the stock oil feed t bsp to the block buy npt otherwise? Ie is the an fitting a bsp or npt thread?

 

[ZealoustheEnder]

I thought the block was bsp but the oil pressure sender is npt. Thus the feed line to the turbo is ntp as well

 

[Valk]

I've heard that too but the t fitting has an an fitting screwed in for the actual line. Wanna make sure that uses a npt thread so I'm getting the correct t fitting for my gauge sender.
I know its not advised to tap the oil pan for return but I see so many people doing it.. the stock bearing support looks like its gonna be a b**** to try and tap...is our pan an option in a pinch?

 

[hornsfan10609]

The pan is an option but if it is tapped too low the turbo will not drain oil properly and it can damage the bearings.

 

[Valk]

Just stick close to flange on the shallow side?

 

[hornsfan10609]

I would tap the MBSP if it were my car.

 

[Alamo1]

Here's what you do for tapping the MBSP. It needs to be off the car though. Get some Devcon or other metal paste/putty, and glue a bolt into the hole right beside where the oil drain would sit. (You'll see what I'm talking about) then grind or machine down the bolt and the raised bolt boss. Then drill and tap for 3/8npt basically halfway through the bolt. That's what I did and it's prefect position with the pope DP.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/show...s-P5-T-Build&p=5931510&viewfull=1#post5931510

 

[thepope540]

My car coughed to life for the first time in 4-5 months today Her maiden voyage down the street should be within the next few days!

 

[thepope540]

I may do rod bearings with the engine in the car, does anyone still have the template that floated around 5-6 years ago for where to drill the holes to pull the windage tray without having to pull the trans? I searched and found a couple of the old threads, but none of the pics are hosted anymore

Edit: found it - http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/show...removal-help&p=5317573&viewfull=1#post5317573