What have you done to your MSP today?

[ZealoustheEnder]

Guys I'm on the fence. In the last 1.5 years I've collected quite a stash of msp parts. MAM exhaust manifold, steedspeed exhaust manifold, corksport downpipe, pope downpipe, vibrant 3" exhaust, forged short block, Doc B setup and the list goes on. I have an opportunity to purchase a 2006 MS6 with 78,000 thousand miles for $9000. I can't keep both cars so buying the MS6 would mean no msp. I'd really like to hear what you longterm owners think, specially if you've had any experience with an MS6.

Go for it sell us the extra parts. Some times you need a change. We are all Mazda fans.

 

[thepope540]

My cousin had an ms6 and his engine let go at around 90k. The 2.3 DISI doesn't appear to be holding up any better than boosted FS engines... Its sad because I always wanted to find a used ms6 but I'll probably pass at this point.

http://**************************/forum/f10/mazdaspeed-2-3l-disi-turbo-blown-engine-6113/

http://**************************/forum/f505/speed6-engine-failure-87k-miles-117197/

 

[Gabi]

Pope that's precisely my main concern right now. At least with the msp if my stock block gives out I have a spare one set aside. I won't have that with the MS6 for a while.

 

[thepope540]

The ms6 is arguably a better car, but I too have a spare FS in the garage just in case. You won't have that luxury with the 2.3. If you want a bigger car with AWD get a Legacy gt or pick your favorite Audi chassis. At some point I'll get another B3 Audi and do the AAN swap I've always wanted, but thats a project for another decade.

 

[Valk]

I too thought about trading to a ms6 now that are are coming in under 20k.. but its just a different generation of problems.. they have more standard equipemnt than the proteges for sure and prob drive better, but i like the simplicity..
newer cars feel like either toys, cause the interiors are bad hard plastic, or appliances, with almost no tactile driver feedback. in the future im sure ill get a newer more civil family car, but for now, my proteges don't cost me anything unless they break. which really.. isn't that often.

 

[Gabi]

The ms6 is arguably a better car, but I too have a spare FS in the garage just in case. You won't have that luxury with the 2.3. If you want a bigger car with AWD get a Legacy gt or pick your favorite Audi chassis. At some point I'll get another B3 Audi and do the AAN swap I've always wanted, but thats a project for another decade.

I've actually considered a legacy gt. The reason I'm on the fence about this particular car is the low miles and low price. The guy is in dire need of money otherwise the car wouldn't be selling for 9k instead it would be closer to 11k in my area CA.

 

[Gabi]

Double post like a champ.

 

[Preferio]

Pref, Its odd that Bosch didn't give you a temp because they told me operating is +-850 F with an EGT of 1300 F max and a max bung temp of less than 900 F a few years ago when I looked into this same topic.

I know the downpipe is seeing temps in this range and higher because the stainless will temper to a dark purple. This supports the at least 24" away rule that Innovate uses for sensor placement.

I guess the only way to know for sure, would be to get an official spec sheet from Bosch (not just the random answer from the guy on the phone - which is what we've both gotten with very different results) and then measure EGT in several places. It probably isn't worth worrying about though...

http://www.bosch-motorsport.de/medi...nsor_LSU_42_Datasheet_51_en_2779111435pdf.pdf

This is where I got the information

 

[ZealoustheEnder]

I've actually considered a legacy gt. The reason I'm on the fence about this particular car is the low miles and low price. The guy is in dire need of money otherwise the car wouldn't be selling for 9k instead it would be closer to 11k in my area CA.

Then I say find a way to keep both

 

[Preferio]

I want an MS6. You can find them in the $2,000-3,000 range that run, but with timing chain issues or synchronizer issues. I'd have no fear of getting one and repairing it. That would definitely be a daily driver with a few mods, but I wouldn't go all crazy with it. I'd rather have a CX7. I am actively looking for one right now. There was an 08, with high miles (213K LOL!) I was keeping an eye on for CHEAP in awesome condition. I wouldn't buy a high-mileage CX7 if I didn't have the knowledge to fix the likely high-dollar repairs that would inevitably occur. But for $4,000 I would have bought it. I was waiting for it to drop below $4k before I really took a serious look at purchasing it.

 

[Gabi]

Thanks for all the answers guys. I don't DD the msp but I'll be driving it tonight so maybe all I need is a fix and I'll get over the MS6 debate. In any case I'll give you guys a heads upbif I decide to start parting out.

 

[Preferio]

When I was in the market for a car in late 2010, I had found an MS6 with 32k on it that was salvaged with rear end damage that was all repaired with the exception of paint. They were asking $4500 at the time. I was so close to getting the car, but the one thing I do NOT do is body repairs, so that really kept me away from it.

 

[Gabi]

When I was in the market for a car in late 2010, I had found an MS6 with 32k on it that was salvaged with rear end damage that was all repaired with the exception of paint. They were asking $4500 at the time. I was so close to getting the car, but the one thing I do NOT do is body repairs, so that really kept me away from it.

That's understandable, but damn that was an awesome price.

 

[Gabi]

Alright I've officially made him an offer. If he takes it then for sure keep an eye out everyone for some rare goodies coming your way.

 

[IllaNoizeTV]

There's a ms6 for sale for $4500 but it has 157xxx miles and a bad 6th gear sychronizer. All stock. He's had it on Craig'slist for months. Theres prolly other things wrong with it

 

[hornsfan10609]

Drive the Speed6 first, you may be surprised at how slow they feel stock. They have plenty of potential but with 260hp through the AWD drivetrain they aren't as quick as the MSP, not to mention they are about 35-3600lbs vs 2800 in the MSP. Plus there is the timing chain and VVT actuator which is likely the reason the guy is selling in the first place (the early CX7s and speed 6s had more failures than the later models), and they have rear diff mount issues that are actually easy to fix but most non-enthusiasts don't do them. I like them because they are Mazdaspeeds and almost as rare as the proteges these days, but I have driven plenty of them and unless it is modded over at least ~300whp they are underwhelming cars. They are built in Japan so they are FAR better than the sh*tbox USDM Mazda 6s but they still have some of the common issues the 6s had, mainly with the interior.

Tuned MSP with a forged motor and larger turbo>stock or mildly modded speed6.

 

[ZealoustheEnder]

Working on the cork sport 80 millimeter exhaust on 2507

 

[Gabi]

Drive the Speed6 first, you may be surprised at how slow they feel stock. They have plenty of potential but with 260hp through the AWD drivetrain they aren't as quick as the MSP, not to mention they are about 35-3600lbs vs 2800 in the MSP. Plus there is the timing chain and VVT actuator which is likely the reason the guy is selling in the first place (the early CX7s and speed 6s had more failures than the later models), and they have rear diff mount issues that are actually easy to fix but most non-enthusiasts don't do them. I like them because they are Mazdaspeeds and almost as rare as the proteges these days, but I have driven plenty of them and unless it is modded over at least ~300whp they are underwhelming cars. They are built in Japan so they are FAR better than the sh*tbox USDM Mazda 6s but they still have some of the common issues the 6s had, mainly with the interior.

Tuned MSP with a forged motor and larger turbo>stock or mildly modded speed6.

Thanks for the reply, I'm glad to get insight from someone who's actually driven an ms6. He doesn't want to sell it, he has to. Hus dad in Korea needs emergency surgery that is going to cost 20k. It comes with an access port v3, AEM cai, turbosmart dual port bov, and a short shifter. Regardless I will be test driving it prior to purchase. He has an offer from someone else $500 higher than mine. He's meeting up with him this weekend. If it doesn't sell then essentially he will accept my offer. I could match the offer I'm just not that desperate or in a hurry to get rid of the msp.

 

[StealthWyvern]

Fired up big bird for the first time in months... Started right up after a jump from a spare battery. Its pretty damn tempting not to take it for a spin around the block with no tag or insurance.

 

[ZealoustheEnder]

Working on the cork sport 80 millimeter exhaust on 2507

All cleaned up and polished