What EMS systems are there?

[Mental Addiction]

Yes it had all that, plus a cast MSP manifold that you say sucks. It had a small intercooler and 12 degrees of timing out. We went there hopeing to run 20psi. We could only hold the wastegate to 15psi. The turbo is also a stock MSP unit with our stage I upgrade. It also made almost 340 torque to the wheel.

Now you run a much bigger turbo, a much bigger intercooler, a super whammy header and downpipe. Big injectors and a standalone that shuts down after a few hours because it over heats.

So you make less hp then us, about 15whp. You also make about 60 less torque to the ground. Where is the problem here. I see that your set sucks for lowend and is as good at the topend.

The intercooler core you used measures 22x6x3.5, an area of 462. Our core is 24x6x3.6, an area of 504. Not much of a difference. You claim your stage 1 turbo upgrade makes the same power as a GT28RS. You also had an exhaust cut out.. We had 2.25 catback..Your TQ numbers are high could be because you would spike to 18psi and around 3800RPM's would start to roll back to 15psi.. Plus you had C16, 116octane gas while we had 91 octane summer blead gas.
I road in an MSP here in Utah that has your ported manifold, S-pipe and turbo upgrade.. Felt better than stock , but not like a GT28RS.

 

[MPNick]

The intercooler core you used measures 22x6x3.5, an area of 462. Our core is 24x6x3.6, an area of 504. Not much of a difference. You claim your stage 1 turbo upgrade makes the same power as a GT28RS. You also had an exhaust cut out.. We had 2.25 catback..Your TQ numbers are high could be because you would spike to 18psi and around 3800RPM's would start to roll back to 15psi.. Plus you had C16, 116octane gas while we had 91 octane summer blead gas.
I road in an MSP here in Utah that has your ported manifold, S-pipe and turbo upgrade.. Felt better than stock , but not like a GT28RS.

The core was not our kit intrecooler. It was very small compared our kit core. It only spiked to 18psi on the later runds as we tried to rise the boost. Those runs made over 328whp. I do not talk about them much because of the spike. I did post the dyno files last year on the forum that shows those runs. 328whp. C16 with 12 degrees of timing retard. Never got to take advantage of the fuel.

 

[MPNick]

Also if you check around you can find a number of discussions by other vendors about the fact that the Perfect Power SMT6 (MPI Tuner) intercepts and re-modulates the DC square wave for the ignition coils... since the leading edge of the wave is the initiation of the dwell period and the drop is the negative trigger for the spark in the coil the only way to make that happen sooner is to drop the negative sooner which then cuts down on your dwell time...
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This is not how it works. That is not the reason.

 

[Bigg Tim]

All this technical s*** about the spark and s*** IMO is just a deversion tactic. Who ****** cares if we don't know total timing. Who cares how long it has to wait. The MPI controls timing and fuel. If the standalones are SOOOOOO much better, then show me some numbers that blow the MPI numbers away! Show me someone who made 226whp @ 8psi (this was my everyday tune to get that number) on a 98 degree day with 94 octane gas. Hell, show me an MSP that made 240whp @ 8psi! (this was a to the max tune to get those numbers.)

The tech talk means s*** to me, the numbers mean everything in my eyes. For $1k or more, the unit BETTER do more then what the little ol piggyback can do. And just for info purposes, I tuned my car without the J&S to make that power!!

 

[MPNick]

1) Here it is straight from Mazda's manuals:

See that column called electronic spark advance? And see all the check boxes for the things that affect it.

Man that is a hell of alot of things that is going on with the OEM computer. Good thing the OEM can spend millions of dollars building, testing and changing things just so it work that great and take all of those things in to account. Good thing that this very same system if tried and proven and millions of car around the world.

This is part of my whole point on why the piggyback is the way to go. It shows you just how well the stock OEM computer works and just how many things it can do. The OEM computer is so powerful and complex that no standalone can ever match it. With most of the standalones you get just about none of these factors. That is why the piggyback is the way to go, we work with all of these. We do not remove the oem computer say the hell with the millions of dollars that went into testing and building the EEC-IV computer. We embrace the new OEM systems and work with them. You guys throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[MPNick]

then ! Show me someone who made 226whp @ 8psi (this was my everyday tune to get that number) on a 98 degree day with 94 octane gas. Hell, show me an MSP that made 240whp @ 8psi! (this was a to the max tune to get those numbers.)

98 degrees, I read we had a cool day when we dynoed. The dyno day done with forum members there to see things as they are. Not same midnight run on a lose dyno with no files to prove any numbers god knows what fuel.

 

[TurfBurn]

See my problem is that I have not derided the MPI, I have referred it to numerous people, and I have held my disagreement regarding the unit out of respect. You, Nick, however have been nothing but an ass and taken pot shots at standalones and been a dick. Simply put you are a little child who can't play nice with the rest of the crew. I have respected your business and you, but that is done with. If you can not give equal respect to the rest of the vendors on here then **** you. I know who got my group buy screwed, and I know how childish you are. I've known about it since the day I became a vendor... and I hoped that my being respectful to you would mitigate that. But obviously you aren't that mature.

In the mean time I'm going to get some rest. And tomorrow I will continue to post all the technical detail that you are obviously lacking in knowledge of for the function of the systems out there.

Out of respect to Antoine and the other mods I'll keep my responses politer than this and will keep them in this thread and leave it at that.

Grow up.

 

[Mental Addiction]

See my problem is that I have not derided the MPI, I have referred it to numerous people, and I have held my disagreement regarding the unit out of respect. You, Nick, however have been nothing but an ass and taken pot shots at standalones and been a dick. Simply put you are a little child who can't play nice with the rest of the crew. I have respected your business and you, but that is done with. If you can not give equal respect to the rest of the vendors on here then **** you. I know who got my group buy screwed, and I know how childish you are. I've known about it since the day I became a vendor... and I hoped that my being respectful to you would mitigate that. But obviously you aren't that mature.

In the mean time I'm going to get some rest. And tomorrow I will continue to post all the technical detail that you are obviously lacking in knowledge of for the function of the systems out there.

Out of respect to Antoine and the other mods I'll keep my responses politer than this and will keep them in this thread and leave it at that.

Grow up.

I feel your fustration. However Nick is the type of guy who will bash and call BS on anything that isn't his.. If you do a search right now you will see him taking shots at
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This is all in the last 2-3 days. Dig deeper and you'll find just about every vendor on here him going after. There's a certain amount of proffesionalizm that is expected from all vendors. When dealing with someone like Nick it brings it all down because you feel like you must reply to his BS posts that 90% of the time have no factual base at all. Your post's about his unit is great for all to hear.. It's educating him as well so keep it up. More than half of what you said he does not understand.

 

[MPNick]

See my problem is that I have not derided the MPI, I have referred it to numerous people, and I have held my disagreement regarding the unit out of respect. You, Nick, however have been nothing but an ass and taken pot shots at standalones and been a dick. Simply put you are a little child who can't play nice with the rest of the crew. I have respected your business and you, but that is done with. If you can not give equal respect to the rest of the vendors on here then **** you. I know who got my group buy screwed, and I know how childish you are. I've known about it since the day I became a vendor... and I hoped that my being respectful to you would mitigate that. But obviously you aren't that mature.

In the mean time I'm going to get some rest. And tomorrow I will continue to post all the technical detail that you are obviously lacking in knowledge of for the function of the systems out there.

Out of respect to Antoine and the other mods I'll keep my responses politer than this and will keep them in this thread and leave it at that.

Grow up.

Steve what gives, where does this come from? Tell me how you really feel. You and the other guys can post of of the stuff you want to, as detailed and as long as you want to. The fact is that I never liked any standalone and I never held that opinion to myself. I am not going to tell you or anybody how my system works inside. You do not want to go point to point and compare system to system. You want to show then the MPI is no good. To many people have them running right and do not have the problems that you are talking about.

I never have got into a debate with you because I do respect you for more then one reason. Now you get pissed and go down this road. Do what you need to do or makes you happy.

 

[MPNick]

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I would spend less time of the forum and more time getting the pre-paid long overdue back orders out.

 

[Mental Addiction]

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I would spend less time of the forum and more time getting the pre-paid long overdue back orders out.

That was done when I was away while you where backstabbing me.. Looks like you don't have much business since you are on here. Take this time and get an education on how your own MPI FOOLER works

 

[mazdaspeed75]

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I would spend less time of the forum and more time getting the pre-paid long overdue back orders out.

Dam (hah) (deadhorse Get to work

 

[Bigg Tim]

I feel your fustration. However Nick is the type of guy who will bash and call BS on anything that isn't his.. If you do a search right now you will see him taking shots at
Mental Addiction
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This is all in the last 2-3 days. Dig deeper and you'll find just about every vendor on here him going after. There's a certain amount of proffesionalizm that is expected from all vendors. When dealing with someone like Nick it brings it all down because you feel like you must reply to his BS posts that 90% of the time have no factual base at all. Your post's about his unit is great for all to hear.. It's educating him as well so keep it up. More than half of what you said he does not understand.

See that makes it hard for me to stay out of it like I told you I wanted to. You just talked about professionalism and in the same paragraph you are saying he doesn't know what he's talking about. How is that professionalism? How is it proffessional to PM or call up other vendors to gang up on someone? To me, everyone is guilty of this so called "non-professionalism"!

No one knows everything and the first person to say they do is full of it. Why do people feel the need to post so much technical data instead of real world facts? Anyone can read a book, but how many have made this their livelyhood for 30+ years? To a lot of us here on the forum, the super technical crap doesn't mean s***. If I wanted that, I would pick up a book. I like real world results!!!! Saying xtra injectors is "old school" is BS when there are still many people using them. Why would someone spend $80k+ on a GTS viper and another $30-60k in the motor to twin turbo it just to put BS xtra injectors in that do not work? It's all about what works. They know it worked for them and still does. Well, its the same with EMS', if someone knows EMS "X" works, why spend twice the price on EMS "Y" just because it sounds better that it can do more? What if you NEVER use the extra features, that doesn't matter because it's the new "Y" EMS???? Who the hell cares.

 

[MPNick]

That was done when I was away while you where backstabbing me.. Looks like you don't have much business since you are on here.

You had your chance to clean it up and blow it.

Yes for six months? I am here to keep it real and I do not have any outstanding back orders. We ship our stuff out, because we are not on hold with vendors and our supplers.

 

[Mental Addiction]

98 degrees, I read we had a cool day when we dynoed. The dyno day done with forum members there to see things as they are. Not same midnight run on a lose dyno with no files to prove any numbers god knows what fuel.

The dyno we used here at our DYNO DAY with 20+ people must have been tight since someone could only get 205whp.. here but not much earlier got 228whp on yours..

 

[mazdaspeed75]

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Hurry up and build me a motor .(deadhorse (glare)

 

[Mental Addiction]

You had your chance to clean it up and blow it.

Yes for six months? I am here to keep it real and I do not have any outstanding back orders. We ship our stuff out, because we are not on hold with vendors and our supplers.

Rumor mill says different.. It's amazing what rumors can do. Clean up... Lets see.. You and I had a good relationship. I sold alot of your MPI's. 3 people more than a year ago that I sold to had problems with your software and customer service. They flamed you.. 12 months go by(We had been working together this whole time and never complained to me) and you are stabbing me in the back. Don't get Mental Addiction Motorsports confused with Mental Addiction SW or LLC.

 

[MPNick]

Hurry up and build me a motor .(deadhorse (glare)

But why, your car is not running right. You have holes in your fuel map. You only think it is runing good. You need to know that you timing is off. It only feels smooth. Stop the drugs so you understand what is going on.

 

[mazdaspeed75]

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(breakn) (group) Um ok , Arp head studs are better , um but The microtech has gps , but wait the mpi projects timming after it bakes cookies and milk . Nick yuo are fuc&&&% hillarious , My type of guy. HAHAHHA This just made my day . (hah)

 

[Bigg Tim]

The dyno we used here at our DYNO DAY with 20+ people must have been tight since someone could only get 205whp.. here but not much earlier got 228whp on yours..

O get the **** out of here. You know DAMN well gas, altitude and air make a huge difference. Well see what happens in the near future. Like I have always told you, I'll go heads up with yours anyday!(thumb)