weekend checklist..

[mrlilguy157]

Is that so? I'm trying to think with who, the only names I could really think of around here would be Kan or Crossover...hmmm. Dusty is more of a Supra guy than anything else, and I dunno about Alamo...damnit, now I'm just gonna spend all day trying to figure out who you are talking about, lol! Stupid me and asking questions. Best o 'luck with that, though. Like I said, if you need an extra pair of hands, just shoot me a PM.

PM me your phone number. We'll talk soon, and hopefully meet up eventually.

 

[whooosh]

HERE IS MY OPINION ON THE DYNO. MY CAR PULLED BADASS NUMBERS IN THE SUMMER AND WEAKASS NUMBERS IN THE WINTER. CAR JUST DOESNT LIKE TO MAKE POWER IN COLD WEATHER. plain and simple. Ive got it to run good but not the same as summer.

100% agree

don't get discouraged from one dyno day

thanks for posting your TRUE results though...

 

[mrlilguy157]

the numbers suck, the a/f's don't at all.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

every dyno is different. there is a whole thread on 'the other forum' about people showing much lower dyno results than others, even when run on the same brand dyno, same software, same climate, same etc etc etc. its the difference between runs - if anything - that is more important than the actual numbers.

so the meth injection yeilded no benifits. This makes me very discouraged.(nuts)

methanol injection alone should not yield any benefits and this is something i have been arguing for a long time. the benefit of methanol injection comes into play when you increase timing, run more boost, etc over stock. because of what methanol does for your intake charge and end result AFRs, you have more leeway to run advanced timing or more boost and be safer. simply running menthanol on top of a car that has no tuning adjustments will typically, on every vehicle i have seen it on, do nothing but richen up the air/fuel mix. its not like nitrous oxide in that its a spray in power adder. its an accompanying modification to other things that you do to the car.

 

[kevotc]

Hello All,

I'm Mrlilguy's friend Kevin, I participated in this great adventure of installing all of these parts as well as jumping on the dyno.

From what I understand, the upgraded pump is there to allow a higher pressure/volume of gas in the fuels system to eliminate the problems of fuel cut in the midrange of the power band. From the dyno graphs, you can see that the upgraded pump has a more rich af/r throughout the power band, which consolidates the purpose of the pump. I believe the problem we ran into is around 4500rpm, the pump created rich condition in which causes the car to lose its peak horsepower possibility. With some sort of fuel management, the upgrade pump unlocks a greater amount of modification possibilities(IE Big Turbo Upgrade). As Jon stated, we ran into a huge problem with sputtering, pulling out the plugs confirmed our initial guess of foul plugs. We tried to find some plugs around town, but VDP's owner Steve couldn't manage to get a hold of anything until Tuesday afternoon. We also ran into the problem of heat soak, which added to our list of variables. What you CAN tell from these graphs is that the pump does flow more fuel eliminating fuel cut and has a more generally consistent/smooth flow. Honestly, these graphs do not show the true quickness of Jon's MS3. When it comes down to it, the car was performing AMAZINGLY Friday night as we were doing testing/racing in "Mexico" and there is no denying it. (usa)

My summary of this weekends adventure:
*The MS3 is one hell of a quick car...
*The MS3 is a sickening quick car with an upgraded pump...
*An intake is a definitely the first mod you should put on your car...(moves
AF/Rs from **< 10.0:1 to 10.7:1, increasing nearly 10whp or more) ** off
the A/FR Scale.
*A front mount intercooler is definitely a modification needed to deal with
heat soak.
*Methanol Injection didn't turn out as well as planned. (created a more rich
condition)
*Make sure you have Teflon tape and a tub of silicone, otherwise your garage
will have a huge pool of windshield wiper fluid all over it. (Doh*)
*Some sort of fuel management and tune will be need eventually to open up
larger possibilities and reach higher peak numbers.
*The pump is not benficial to a stock car, but if you have big plans for your
car, the upgraded pump is an essential mod.

From what I have seen/felt myself, I definitely think that an upgraded pump is WELL WORTH the money.

Thanks for the great weekend Jon!


(PS: I expect you to be around when my car goes turbo, so my frustration can head your direction. (lol2) )

 

[meha11]

I am disappointed, I’m sure you and most of everyone else is too. Based on the information you have provided i cant see myself purchasing this upgrade unless i run into fuel issues which i haven’t so far (touches his head).

Thanks for putting in the effort to do this, not only the dyno time but the effort to document and post your results, most of all you have my respect for your honesty.

 

[mrlilguy157]

I am disappointed, Im sure you and most of everyone else is too. Based on the information you have provided i cant see myself purchasing this upgrade unless i run into fuel issues which i havent so far (touches his head).

Thanks for putting in the effort to do this, not only the dyno time but the effort to document and post your results, most of all you have my respect for your honesty.

thats understandable, and yes I am upset . I'll be hitting the dyno again this weekend I think though.... If you plan on modding your car a decent amount, fuel cut will result eventually.

 

[driver311]

so the meth injection yeilded no benifits. This makes me very discouraged.(nuts)

Guaranteed if this car was running full exhaust, tmic, fp, intake and 22psi the car would have gained alot running the meth. It would be pushing hot air at that point and the cooling action would have made more power alone. Then you would probably have enough fuel and cool enough intake temps to run those kind of boost numbers every day. Meth allows for more boost and timing therefore gaining power. Not just throw it in and expect much. Unless you have a turbo pushing hot air already. We put meth in my buddies vette that was running a blower. He gained 20whp just putting it on because the supercharger was pushing hot air. Then we advanced the timing 2 degrees and gained 40whp more. So in total 60whp from the meth and 2 degrees of timing. Thats how it benefits you.

 

[SpdFreak]

Guaranteed if this car was running full exhaust, tmic, fp, intake and 22psi the car would have gained alot running the meth. It would be pushing hot air at that point and the cooling action would have made more power alone. Then you would probably have enough fuel and cool enough intake temps to run those kind of boost numbers every day. Meth allows for more boost and timing therefore gaining power. Not just throw it in and expect much. Unless you have a turbo pushing hot air already. We put meth in my buddies vette that was running a blower. He gained 20whp just putting it on because the supercharger was pushing hot air. Then we advanced the timing 2 degrees and gained 40whp more. So in total 60whp from the meth and 2 degrees of timing. Thats how it benefits you.

Don't forget the fail safes if you tune for it, because when the jet colggs, or you run out of meth your motor goes boom boom . (yes)