WANTED!!! J&S Safeguard...
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I talked to John from J&S last week he will give us the old group buy price even though were don't have an actual GB.
it was %15 off of the kit price and %15 off of the guages if you wanted one of the guages. he also has the knock sensor guage in anodized black now too.
it was %15 off of the kit price and %15 off of the guages if you wanted one of the guages. he also has the knock sensor guage in anodized black now too.
J&S Safe Guard 2CH unit with Bosch Knock Sensor = $484
Knock Sensor and AFR guage = $169.15
Knock Sensor guage only = 106.25, but I think he will sell these for $99 and they can come in anodized black now...
you must tell him you have a MSP or MP3, P5 or regular Protege and tell him you talked to Richard from MSProtege.com and you want the orignal GB discount price
Knock Sensor and AFR guage = $169.15
Knock Sensor guage only = 106.25, but I think he will sell these for $99 and they can come in anodized black now...
you must tell him you have a MSP or MP3, P5 or regular Protege and tell him you talked to Richard from MSProtege.com and you want the orignal GB discount price
This is not anything like an EMS... it is a real time knock control device that can individually recognize and control knock on EACH cylinder unlike any other knock systems you will normally see.. It uses sophisticated means to determine specifically when knock is occuring and is very accurate. Very nice little toy, and I swear by having one in the car. I would not tune my car without it. John is a great guy, and a good company. We (NSN) are going to carry them as well in the future and can work with you on it as well.
Later,
Steve
Later,
Steve
I run the J&S along with my MPI,
the J&S can control timing based on knock sensing, once it detects knock it will pull timing only in the cylinder that is knocking and it will put it back as soon as it is safe. You can also have it pull across all of the cylinders. It will also pull timing based on boost or he has preset timing pull maps for the MSP, which will pull timing when you hit a certain rpm range and then add it back after your out of that range. You can also have the J&S use multiple methods as well in any combination for added safety.
The J&S also has patented algorythms that filter out engine noises and only detects actual knock before the human ear can hear it.
When you use an EMS or Piggy back you pull timing across all cylinders ina certain range or the AEM and Hydra do something very much like the J&S, but the don't use the algorythms and they pull across all cylinders and not just the cylinder that needs it
so you can really fine tune the J&S to pull every little bit of HP out of the engine and still protect it at the same time....
the J&S can control timing based on knock sensing, once it detects knock it will pull timing only in the cylinder that is knocking and it will put it back as soon as it is safe. You can also have it pull across all of the cylinders. It will also pull timing based on boost or he has preset timing pull maps for the MSP, which will pull timing when you hit a certain rpm range and then add it back after your out of that range. You can also have the J&S use multiple methods as well in any combination for added safety.
The J&S also has patented algorythms that filter out engine noises and only detects actual knock before the human ear can hear it.
When you use an EMS or Piggy back you pull timing across all cylinders ina certain range or the AEM and Hydra do something very much like the J&S, but the don't use the algorythms and they pull across all cylinders and not just the cylinder that needs it
so you can really fine tune the J&S to pull every little bit of HP out of the engine and still protect it at the same time....
thats ****** awesome news!!!!! Glad to hear you are going to carry them...
John is a dam good man, he is no bulls***, no frills, tell you like it is kind of man!!!!
He may be hard to get a hold of and it may take a little bit to get your unit, but John and his products are top ****** notch!!!!!
Turf, you need to setup an official GB for these things, What do you say????
John is a dam good man, he is no bulls***, no frills, tell you like it is kind of man!!!!
He may be hard to get a hold of and it may take a little bit to get your unit, but John and his products are top ****** notch!!!!!
Turf, you need to setup an official GB for these things, What do you say????
TurfBurn said:
If it can pull timing as a function of RPM or boost then that seems sorta like what an EMS would do... with the addition of the knock sensor to pull timing. Do you think that an Airflow Logistics AFC + the J&S would be a good Air/Fuel & timing solution? I think I am in need of some timing control... my AFC is good but lately been having problems and I am almost certain timing needs changed.
apocman said:
Should work great together!!! I let the J&S worry about the timing on my car and have the MPI do all of the rest of my tuning and some use the J&S and the MPI together to pull timing and be extra safe
So with that said, I would feel that the J&S would work great with most of our EMS/PiggyBack solutions...
So with that said, I would feel that the J&S would work great with most of our EMS/PiggyBack solutions...
CasopoliS said:
remember it can pull timing by the following methods or in any combination and in unison with an EMS/Piggyback
1. Knock detection
2. via boost levels
3. premade RPM maps ranges
4. there are other methods to like MAP and TPS methods as well, but I don't use them so I don't have experience with those methods.
and it can pull by cylinder or across all cylinders and it puts the timing back as soon as it is safe !!!
1. Knock detection
2. via boost levels
3. premade RPM maps ranges
4. there are other methods to like MAP and TPS methods as well, but I don't use them so I don't have experience with those methods.
and it can pull by cylinder or across all cylinders and it puts the timing back as soon as it is safe !!!
a ****** two year old could tune with a J&S unit!!!!
you can simply say pull this much timing when you see this much boost
or pull this much timing during this rpm range and the put it back here
or just set it to pull timing when it detects actual knock it will pull as much needed to remove the knock all on it's own and then put it back on it's own.
this is all done by little switches and dials
easy , easy, easy to do
did I tell how easy it is to use????
you can simply say pull this much timing when you see this much boost
or pull this much timing during this rpm range and the put it back here
or just set it to pull timing when it detects actual knock it will pull as much needed to remove the knock all on it's own and then put it back on it's own.
this is all done by little switches and dials
easy , easy, easy to do
did I tell how easy it is to use????
apocman said:a ****** two year old could tune with a J&S unit!!!!
you can simply say pull this much timing when you see this much boost
or pull this much timing during this rpm range and the put it back here
or just set it to pull timing when it detects actual knock it will pull as much needed to remove the knock all on it's own and then put it back on it's own.
this is all done by little switches and dials
easy , easy, easy to do
did I tell how easy it is to use????
Lots of "or" - is there an "and" in there? I would like to pull timing as a function of boost/rpm AND pull when there is knock.
CasopoliS said:
Actually the AND And AND is the way most of them come.
I'll work out settings with John as well as I know the motors and the unit well and we can get it setup so it is ideal for you guys...
The one thing the unit CAN'T do, is advance timing... but typically that isn't an issue with a stock ECU combined with boost... I'll talk to John today and get working on a group buy for you guys and see if I can work something for you to outdo previous pricing if I can.
Later!
Steve
lcruz64 said:
No, but as I said in my other post... boost + stock ECU timing usually doesn't result in any need to up timing..
I'm also willing to offer Microtech plus JandS packages as well... probably be around 1500-1600 for a JandS and Microtech combo... full standalone and protection for less than 1800
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