Wanted: Complete Factory Roof Rails and Cross Bars
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Unless you just want the rack for looks, I would get after market crossbars, too.
I still got the factory crossbars just to have when we trade the vehicle in.
I still got the factory crossbars just to have when we trade the vehicle in.
Why do you say that and also which aftermarkets do you suggest? ;-)
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I'll post this here too...
After market bars sit on top of the rails, rather than suspend from the inside channel on plastic brackets.
I LOVE our Mont Blanc Aero bars. They were cheaper then Thule and Yak standard bars, yet are a lot more attractive, sturdy, and versatile. They take almost any saddle mount, as well as T channel, and the rubber insert in the channel offers grip on items like lumber and pipe or anything else you may put on the rack. They also have no overhang beyond the feet (on the CX 9), so they really look cleaner than other bars. The Aero shape looks better, and offers more stability to saddle mounts. They are also pretty quiet. From what I've read, more so that the factory crossbars. Finally, they are more than double the load rating of the factory bars.
I got them at Proline Racks. They are the 47" Bar kit. http://www.prolineracks.com/mont-blanc-3700-aero-wing-crossbars.html
After market bars sit on top of the rails, rather than suspend from the inside channel on plastic brackets.
I LOVE our Mont Blanc Aero bars. They were cheaper then Thule and Yak standard bars, yet are a lot more attractive, sturdy, and versatile. They take almost any saddle mount, as well as T channel, and the rubber insert in the channel offers grip on items like lumber and pipe or anything else you may put on the rack. They also have no overhang beyond the feet (on the CX 9), so they really look cleaner than other bars. The Aero shape looks better, and offers more stability to saddle mounts. They are also pretty quiet. From what I've read, more so that the factory crossbars. Finally, they are more than double the load rating of the factory bars.
I got them at Proline Racks. They are the 47" Bar kit. http://www.prolineracks.com/mont-blanc-3700-aero-wing-crossbars.html
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I'm curious why you didn't buy the factory rack with the car. You can negotiate the price and include it in the financing, even if they have to order the rack separately, which is what we did. I put the rack on myself when it finally arrived.
We paid $199 for the rails and crossbars, and it's less than $3 a month in our payments. Auto parts and accessories have huge markups. If you want an accessory that the car doesn't have, and offer a reasonable amount for it, they will not let you leave without the car. No dealer will throw away a car sale over an accessory, particularly if adding it still turns them a profit, but usually even if it doesn't, as long as you don't add the entire catalog.
People are too easy to sway. You need to set all your numbers in stone and stick to them. As long as they turn some profit for the overall sale they will almost never let a buyer walk out empty handed. And if they do, go somewhere else.
We paid $199 for the rails and crossbars, and it's less than $3 a month in our payments. Auto parts and accessories have huge markups. If you want an accessory that the car doesn't have, and offer a reasonable amount for it, they will not let you leave without the car. No dealer will throw away a car sale over an accessory, particularly if adding it still turns them a profit, but usually even if it doesn't, as long as you don't add the entire catalog.
People are too easy to sway. You need to set all your numbers in stone and stick to them. As long as they turn some profit for the overall sale they will almost never let a buyer walk out empty handed. And if they do, go somewhere else.
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Actually, I did negotiate the OEM rails and cross-racks in. I am looking around the web at CX forums (not finding much besides here and at edmunds, guess I am not too good at searching!) to find out any suggestions for any other accessories. Seems like a lot of times there are 3rd party accessories that are out there that don't even have an OEM counterpart.
I read this thread and thought I probably wasted getting them to throw those in, but it sounds like the rails will be fine, and I may just get better crossbars to use on certain loads.
I read this thread and thought I probably wasted getting them to throw those in, but it sounds like the rails will be fine, and I may just get better crossbars to use on certain loads.
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Definitely. This is the best Mazda forum I've found, FYI.
So what did you pay for the whole rack?
So what did you pay for the whole rack?
Honestly I don't know...nothing to me but would they have come down further??? We had reached a stalemate on price and I was going to cave in and just pay but tried to think of something to throw in and asked for the rack. He hee hawed around but did it. They put it on the purchase agreement and have to order it so I am taking delivery of the vehicle without it but can't imagine it will be a big deal for them to put it on once it gets here.
Driving around it seems like 90% of SUVs, Vans, and Crossovers have racks, and edmunds list it as a T for typically added to cars...not sure why this Mazda dealer doesn't (I didn't see a single on there with it on). Maybe it is suppose to be sportier without, but I still like the looks with it on and need the functionality of the rack.
Not sure if I should remove the crossbars when not in use for mpg reasons, but that will probably depend on how easy/hard they are to remove. The clamps on my current OEM rack were a breeze.
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Never cave in. Do your research, set fixed prices for your new car, and trade, and don't waver. They won't let you leave without a new car of your numbers are remotely reasonable.
Ahhh, but that is the rub, knowing when you are getting unreasonable. How do you do that yourself? I didn't have a trade in and wasn't financing with them so it was pretty straight up. MSRP on the CX-9 was just over 42k with all the options, edmunds TMV was just over 36k, and in my region edmunds showed a 1k cash rebate to the customer. The trouble is it was a 2008, which the above numbers were from edmunds as well, but surely that should be depreciated even more. I figured at least 4k for that down from the TMV - 1k rebate would be 31k. But I had no idea if that 4k was reasonable and we were stuck at 31.7k and it was late, and I wanted the car, and I wanted the rack and $700 off what my target was minus the $250 (what I thought the rack would be) is 500 different and I did cave. Could I have gotten that 500 by walking out? Maybe. Maybe even more. Or maybe not. I have no idea how to tell. Shoot, for all I now there were thousands they would have gone down. But all I had to go on was edmunds TMV, the rebate edmunds showed, and the believe that the 2008 should be depreciated what an insurance company would depreciate the car since it was on 08 model. Any suggestions for my next purchase as far as resources to use???
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There is a big markup on cars. Especially when you hit 40k. When car companies offer the employee pricing that's thousands off, they are still turning a good profit.
the "Invoice" and TMV are good starting points. Invoice is not what the dealer pays. I started with the invoice price from Edmunds, added the taxes and license and rounded the price. Then used KBB for our trade, and set a price for that.
They tried to get me to cave, but I stuck to my numbers, and they finally agreed. It may take a while, but if you don't let them rush or intimidate you, they will be the ones caving in.
Only after they agree to your whole numbers do you talk about financing, which I'd suggest already having in place. It's another good bargaining tool. They wanted our interest, so they actually beat the financing we had already acquired, making it an even better deal.
They finally even beat my offer by $100. Cars don't have set prices like other products because they can intimidate the buyer, taking advantage of their excitement and ignorance of what they should be paying.
the "Invoice" and TMV are good starting points. Invoice is not what the dealer pays. I started with the invoice price from Edmunds, added the taxes and license and rounded the price. Then used KBB for our trade, and set a price for that.
They tried to get me to cave, but I stuck to my numbers, and they finally agreed. It may take a while, but if you don't let them rush or intimidate you, they will be the ones caving in.
Only after they agree to your whole numbers do you talk about financing, which I'd suggest already having in place. It's another good bargaining tool. They wanted our interest, so they actually beat the financing we had already acquired, making it an even better deal.
They finally even beat my offer by $100. Cars don't have set prices like other products because they can intimidate the buyer, taking advantage of their excitement and ignorance of what they should be paying.
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Any pricing site will give you similar numbers. I usually use Edmunds because they seem more up to date, and accurate as far as options, etc. I tried cars.com and they were missing options and packages, so getting an accurate price was impossible.
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