udontknowjack
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just watch that on motorweek driver's choice award....r u freakin kidding me???
vw R32 best performance car...????
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Wow yeah its a great car but BEST...no. It costs a lot the same as a new evo x and that car handles a lot better. though the R32 does mean more car for your money compared to the evo(leather badass seats, and a bunch of nice things that other cars charge a lot more for it really is just a discount Audi TT quatro with better styling). So i would say its a good performance car. Remember motor week aslo named the scion xb the best drivers car.
I think a lot of the cost is in the DSG transmission (which is really sweet IMHO) and the terrible exchange rate for the Euro. Its an interesting car with huge (if not expensive) potential. A friend has one and it is not as powerful as the MS3, but with the DSG & AWD, it is easy to get 100% of what is there to the ground.
If I ever got where I could not work a clutch, this is the car I would want.
-enganear
I looked at used R32s before I bought my MS3. Used R32s are about the same price wise as a new MS3. The older cars have the VR6 and a KILLER 6speed tranny that is much better than the 6spd in the MS3.
The new R32s are all automatics.....ahh.....Ya I know the new VW DSG tranny is great and all and you can actually get better ETs with the DSG than you can with the stick but......I wanted and LOVE having a stick.
The new R32s are all automatics.....ahh.....Ya I know the new VW DSG tranny is great and all and you can actually get better ETs with the DSG than you can with the stick but......I wanted and LOVE having a stick.
Ahh the DSG isnt all its cracked up to be thats the reason we have the R32. orriginally VW wanted to make it the R36 which is thier new V6 of 3.6 liters but the dsg couldnt handle the power and remain reliable over a long period of time. so your buddy may want to be carful how much he stomps on it.
All in all its not a bad car.
All in all its not a bad car.
TampaBlackMSP
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Love them. (2thumbs)
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yea there pretty nice, i was at a vw dealer the other day and someone was about to test drive it, the stock exhaust sounds like a beast and from what i saw accelleration is pretty quick
The engine sounds a formula 1 car with the quick shift.
Launch Mode is cool.
-Engage Launch Mode
-Left foot on brake
-Right foot puts the gas to the floor
-Computer holds the engine at 3k rpm
-Let off the brake and the computer engages the clutch and opens the throttle
All four wheels fight for traction and the auto shifts click off with precision.
-enganear
its no slouch but its not much better than a GTI performance wise either. Of course its got a good launch. The exhaust makes me want to cry when i hear it...tears of joy.(i live about half a mile from a VW dealership so i see them from time to time) the interior is quite nice.
i came from the vw crowd a whiles back owning a 97 cabrio with blah mods then a 2.9 vr6 gti (no thats not a type o) then to my fave my 88 gti with a g60 swap converted with a calaway turbo kit 92 big bumpers and full recaro interior (car was soooooo sweet). the vdubs are a cult car but once you step out of the mk2's the probs start with the windows to the trunk release etc. the vr6 was a great engine (best sounding ever) i love the way it sounds with intake+ exhaust, but too much of a head ache. the new r32 is very very nice but performance wise and price wise just doesnt compete with the rest. man i miss my 88 mk2
You sir are correct, I also made the jump from a V-dub to the MS3, but a chipped GTI does give the r32 a fair run for the money. However the r32 is just brilliant around a track and makes complete use of its rather conservative power output. I considered one, but could not argue with the MS3's price and performance.
I'm normally not a fan of TTAC, but they did at one time make a good point. There is no reason at all to buy an R32 over a GTI, save for possibly the badge status. Also, what you all need to realize is all those magazines and buff books and industry outlets vote on one single metric when it comes down to Car/Truck/Bike/Self Propelled transport of the year: Metric tons of dollars brought in.
When it comes to the R32, all I can think of is that fake add I once saw.
The VW GTI. It doesn't handle any better than the competition, its not that much more aggressively styled, and its not any faster. Its also substantially more expensive. But hey, its got soul*. And a heated cup holder.
*Soul is not a quantifiable data point and cannot be measured in any actual test. Nor may you actually think it has soul. If all else fails, slam it y0.
When it comes to the R32, all I can think of is that fake add I once saw.
The VW GTI. It doesn't handle any better than the competition, its not that much more aggressively styled, and its not any faster. Its also substantially more expensive. But hey, its got soul*. And a heated cup holder.
*Soul is not a quantifiable data point and cannot be measured in any actual test. Nor may you actually think it has soul. If all else fails, slam it y0.
I'm an old VW guy. This is my first Japanese car. I LOVE VWs. One of my best friends has an R32 (2004) It's a very nice car. Very solid and with his aftermarket exhaust it sounds devilish. Power wise, I'll eat his lunch. He knows it. I know it. His car isn't stock either.
Handling wise, I really like AWD cars. I used to get my Audi quattro out of shape so bad on back roads and then somehow magically, get it right back. Does his car handle better? For the street driving we do and the occasional back road romp on some of VA's desolate state maintained race tracks
; he does no better than I do.
Handling wise, I really like AWD cars. I used to get my Audi quattro out of shape so bad on back roads and then somehow magically, get it right back. Does his car handle better? For the street driving we do and the occasional back road romp on some of VA's desolate state maintained race tracks
; he does no better than I do.There are couple in the area and I think in the style inside and out it seems to be drivers car. The sound always makes want to chase them down. But what i have gathered so far is in the twisties we probably need some chassis work to stay abreast I like these cars . In the straights bye bye. Hope im not offending. I still would not trade mine even up for r32.
jungleradio
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i had a previous gen R32 for a while. that was a wonderful car, but the performace for the money was sad.
i've driven the new R32 and I like it in some ways, but not in other ways. the DSG tranny is overrated imo. i'm a big fan of low-end torque as the R32 has, but the DSG tranny doesn't let people use it too well. let's say you're driving in 2nd gear at 1800 rpm's, then you slam on the throttle. you'd expect the car (technically being a manual) to stay in gear and let it climb. however, the DSG tranny in both auto and manual modes forces an downshift....lame.
as for the dsg's abillity to hold torque; i've seen new R32's with turbo conversions. of course the dual clutches in the dsg had to be upgraded, but the transmissions seem to hold together pretty well.
the previous gen R32 had approx 240 hp stock. the new one has 250 hp....? wake up VW, this car needs at least another 40 hp over the previous gen.
the exhaust sound in the old R32 is, by far, more delightful than in the new R32. the new exhaust has a noticeably higher pitch and, at some rpms, sounds somewhat like the Audi A3's 3.2 V6..which is to say, nothing spectacular.
the interior of the R32 is a big dissapointment on some levels. i'll give it to VW for added approx 2x the amount of rear leg room for passengers and simply giving the cabin an overall larger feel. however, the R32's interior should be exclusive. the old R32 had seats from god; they were unavailable in any other vehicle from the factory. the R32 gets the GTI's seats with an R32 logo....lame again. the leather is more gray than black; i prefer a straight black leather. and the overall feel of the interior is near identical to a GTI's.
there's the price too. yes, they start at $33k. however, i have yet to find a dealership within 100 miles of me that hasn't thrown a $5k markup on that. $38k, you say...for what comes down to a golf? i'll pass....and wait for a BMW 135i.
the kicker? my co-worker has a new white R32 (white, btw, looks GREAT) and drives in 60% highway and 40% city traffic. he returns, on average, 16 mpg.
now that's plain sad for a car that can't cover the 1/4 in under 14 seconds, repeatedly.
best performance car? no. even at $33k, i'd rather go for used 3 series or an audi A3, with some solid performance mods (ESPECIALLY AN LSD!)
-JR
i've driven the new R32 and I like it in some ways, but not in other ways. the DSG tranny is overrated imo. i'm a big fan of low-end torque as the R32 has, but the DSG tranny doesn't let people use it too well. let's say you're driving in 2nd gear at 1800 rpm's, then you slam on the throttle. you'd expect the car (technically being a manual) to stay in gear and let it climb. however, the DSG tranny in both auto and manual modes forces an downshift....lame.
as for the dsg's abillity to hold torque; i've seen new R32's with turbo conversions. of course the dual clutches in the dsg had to be upgraded, but the transmissions seem to hold together pretty well.
the previous gen R32 had approx 240 hp stock. the new one has 250 hp....? wake up VW, this car needs at least another 40 hp over the previous gen.
the exhaust sound in the old R32 is, by far, more delightful than in the new R32. the new exhaust has a noticeably higher pitch and, at some rpms, sounds somewhat like the Audi A3's 3.2 V6..which is to say, nothing spectacular.
the interior of the R32 is a big dissapointment on some levels. i'll give it to VW for added approx 2x the amount of rear leg room for passengers and simply giving the cabin an overall larger feel. however, the R32's interior should be exclusive. the old R32 had seats from god; they were unavailable in any other vehicle from the factory. the R32 gets the GTI's seats with an R32 logo....lame again. the leather is more gray than black; i prefer a straight black leather. and the overall feel of the interior is near identical to a GTI's.
there's the price too. yes, they start at $33k. however, i have yet to find a dealership within 100 miles of me that hasn't thrown a $5k markup on that. $38k, you say...for what comes down to a golf? i'll pass....and wait for a BMW 135i.
the kicker? my co-worker has a new white R32 (white, btw, looks GREAT) and drives in 60% highway and 40% city traffic. he returns, on average, 16 mpg.
now that's plain sad for a car that can't cover the 1/4 in under 14 seconds, repeatedly.
best performance car? no. even at $33k, i'd rather go for used 3 series or an audi A3, with some solid performance mods (ESPECIALLY AN LSD!)
-JR
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like i said my fave is the mk2's. a with a nicely built g60 swap eitcher s/c or turbo is a very fun car. my friend had a rabbit with a g70 upgrade 18 psi boost and that car was insane. it felt like 300hp in a tin can. every time to got on it, it felt like the thing was gonna fall apart. but it surprised the hell out of anything that tried it.
sorry a bit off topic. r32 nice looking lots of lux but not my taste for tunning
sorry a bit off topic. r32 nice looking lots of lux but not my taste for tunning
RallyeRedSi
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My friend bought a new R32, talked so much s*** how it would beat my car, it was great seeing it not being able to come up to my rear bumper, for that money I would of bought an M3
