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mazpro said:
i think they were in shock! someone checked his pulse too. it looks to me like the car cut in front of the bike, but if the bike was speeding the driver probably thought he had time to turn.
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i think they were in shock! someone checked his pulse too. it looks to me like the car cut in front of the bike, but if the bike was speeding the driver probably thought he had time to turn.
OK. Just my $0.02, so here goes. First, a disclaimer. I am a 5th yr (final) Orthopedic Surgery resident in Ottawa. I love bikes. Never owned one, but have ridden them and dropped them before (fortunately, no injuries). Several of my colleagues ride as well. Hoping to purchase an R6 this summer. Did a research project last year on severe injuries suffered by motorcycle riders after crashes. Won an award for it. I am NOT an expert in this area, but I don't know NOTHING about the topic either. Lastly, I operate on at least one motorcycle rider for open fractures and other injuries EVERY week of riding season each year.
I like the drawing depicting the scene of the crash. Left turns in front of bikes is the most common configuration of crashes involving another vehicle. This part of the crash is NOT the riders fault. However, the rider of the R1 is of the most common segment of the riding population that is injured in these crashes. Young male rider, less than 35 yrs old, riding a large displacement bike. Can't comment on the riding experience of the rider, but in crashes involving other vehicles the rider usually doesn't have more than a few years riding experience and usually doesn't have much (> 1-2 yrs) experience on the bike involved in the crash. Poor rider judgement is a leading cause of crashes involving another vehicle. Even when the initial cause of the accident is not the riders fault, the rider's poor judgement (i.e. excessive speed, inappropriate response to another drivers actions, alcohol on board, etc) is a major contributor to the progression and the severity of the crash. At least here the guy was wearing leathers and a helmet. This is NOT always the case. Back to the car.
When you consider the physics of the crash, the bike was FLYING. Moderate sized rider (avg wt 155 lbs) riding a large bike weigh several hundred lbs. Not sure about the weight of the R1, but I seem to remember a figure of around 350 lbs. I assume a combined mass of about 500 lbs. Take the car which was carrying at least two passengers. Mid-sized car weighing approx 3000 lbs. Two avg sized riders of about 290 lbs (avg man = 155, avg woman = 135). Add this to the mass of the car for a total of 3300 lbs give or take a few hundred lbs. This is a 6 or 7:1 ratio of mass when compared to the bike and rider. If you consider the video of the scene and the drawing the car has suffered significant damage to the front passenger side quarter panel. This does NOT usually happen. The typical pattern (considering an impact speed of around 70 kmh which is the typical speed involved in this type of collision), the mass and speed of the bike are not significant enough to displace the larger mass of the car substantially. Instead, the bike hits the car, and one of two things happens. If the rider tried to turn at the last instant and slides into the car you get a car-rider-bike sandwich where the rider usually gets a leg pinned inbetween the bike and the car. Leg trauma is common as is chest wall and upper limb injury on the side of impact. Blunt trauma to the head is also common. If the rider doesn't have time to turn away then the car stops the forward progress of the car NOW. The rider is carrying his forward momentum still but is holding onto the handlebars. This causes his helmet to strike the car first and then his feet to come off the bike. At this point he looks like Superman. Then his feet quickly rotate past the head which has been stopped by the car because the hands are still attached to the handlebars. The hands are released last and now the rider is upside down with his feet in the air, head against the car, and the hands hanging down. After that, he does his best aerial cartwheel before stopping on the ground some 50-90 ft (avg distance) away. The way they land depends on the speed of their rotation, but they usually slide for a bit so the 50-90 ft includes sliding distance if there are no objects impeding their further progression. Riders travel farther if they hit only the quarter panel as there is less car to impede their aerial progress after impact. They travel less if they hit the passenger compartment for obvious reasons. So considering the video and picture, the car suffers huge damage (comparable to that seen when struck by a car travelling at highway speed), the front wheel of the bike is imbedded in the side of the car, and most importantly, the car is shifted left of the middle of the roadway by about 10-15 ft. To move a mass that weighs 6-7 times the size of the rider and bike that distance means that the bike was moving. Simple physics. Force = mass x acceleration. To move the car which has mucho inertia, the Force of the bike must be greater than the Force of the car resisting lateral motion (force of friction). Since the bike and the rider don't weigh that much....the acceleration must have been HUGE. The rider likely hit the A-pillar with his body on the way over the car judging by the angle of displacement of the engine compartment, which catapaulted him UP into the air rather than OUT over the car, hence the reason that he ends up fairly close to the car.
As for the rider, the chest wall DOES NOT move during the time he is seen on the video. His left hand is edematous and very dusky looking suggesting lack of perfusion (read: no friggin' blood flow). Even if he was comatose and breathing, with all the chest wall trauma he would be frothing blood from the mouth, even if he didn't have facial fractures. It is possible that he does not have facial fractures as his helmet is intact, but he almost certainly has spine fractures at the very least. He likely isn't dead yet since he retains some tone in his lower limbs as you will note that his left leg is bent up at the knee and stays that way without assistance. However, his brain is probably pudding (officially called Diffuse Axonal Injury) which is bad, bad, bad with an even worse prognosis. Death for him is likely imminent within the timing of the video. The alternative is that he is already dead. Judging from the speed at which medical attention has arrived (or not) that is entirely possible, but it would take some time for rigor mortis to set in. From the traffic that passes the accident scene after the accident I bet that the accident has only happened within the past 10 min tops which is not enough time for the body to become rigid so the first explanation is more likely. The rider is not obviously in pieces because he is riding leathers, but I bet that once you cut everything off he had multiple "floating" fractures or near amputations.
It is kind of weird how the other riders don't get all worked up about it. One guy is even having a smoke right over the guy. They don't even bother to administer any first aid to the guy at all. Nothing. Nada. That is very, very weird. Even though I watched if a few times, it is kinda morbid that the guy with the camera could keep filming it without putting down the camera to help out.
s***....that is a lot of writing. Enough for now. It was more like $ 0.98 rather than $ 0.02, but whatever.
R
I like the drawing depicting the scene of the crash. Left turns in front of bikes is the most common configuration of crashes involving another vehicle. This part of the crash is NOT the riders fault. However, the rider of the R1 is of the most common segment of the riding population that is injured in these crashes. Young male rider, less than 35 yrs old, riding a large displacement bike. Can't comment on the riding experience of the rider, but in crashes involving other vehicles the rider usually doesn't have more than a few years riding experience and usually doesn't have much (> 1-2 yrs) experience on the bike involved in the crash. Poor rider judgement is a leading cause of crashes involving another vehicle. Even when the initial cause of the accident is not the riders fault, the rider's poor judgement (i.e. excessive speed, inappropriate response to another drivers actions, alcohol on board, etc) is a major contributor to the progression and the severity of the crash. At least here the guy was wearing leathers and a helmet. This is NOT always the case. Back to the car.
When you consider the physics of the crash, the bike was FLYING. Moderate sized rider (avg wt 155 lbs) riding a large bike weigh several hundred lbs. Not sure about the weight of the R1, but I seem to remember a figure of around 350 lbs. I assume a combined mass of about 500 lbs. Take the car which was carrying at least two passengers. Mid-sized car weighing approx 3000 lbs. Two avg sized riders of about 290 lbs (avg man = 155, avg woman = 135). Add this to the mass of the car for a total of 3300 lbs give or take a few hundred lbs. This is a 6 or 7:1 ratio of mass when compared to the bike and rider. If you consider the video of the scene and the drawing the car has suffered significant damage to the front passenger side quarter panel. This does NOT usually happen. The typical pattern (considering an impact speed of around 70 kmh which is the typical speed involved in this type of collision), the mass and speed of the bike are not significant enough to displace the larger mass of the car substantially. Instead, the bike hits the car, and one of two things happens. If the rider tried to turn at the last instant and slides into the car you get a car-rider-bike sandwich where the rider usually gets a leg pinned inbetween the bike and the car. Leg trauma is common as is chest wall and upper limb injury on the side of impact. Blunt trauma to the head is also common. If the rider doesn't have time to turn away then the car stops the forward progress of the car NOW. The rider is carrying his forward momentum still but is holding onto the handlebars. This causes his helmet to strike the car first and then his feet to come off the bike. At this point he looks like Superman. Then his feet quickly rotate past the head which has been stopped by the car because the hands are still attached to the handlebars. The hands are released last and now the rider is upside down with his feet in the air, head against the car, and the hands hanging down. After that, he does his best aerial cartwheel before stopping on the ground some 50-90 ft (avg distance) away. The way they land depends on the speed of their rotation, but they usually slide for a bit so the 50-90 ft includes sliding distance if there are no objects impeding their further progression. Riders travel farther if they hit only the quarter panel as there is less car to impede their aerial progress after impact. They travel less if they hit the passenger compartment for obvious reasons. So considering the video and picture, the car suffers huge damage (comparable to that seen when struck by a car travelling at highway speed), the front wheel of the bike is imbedded in the side of the car, and most importantly, the car is shifted left of the middle of the roadway by about 10-15 ft. To move a mass that weighs 6-7 times the size of the rider and bike that distance means that the bike was moving. Simple physics. Force = mass x acceleration. To move the car which has mucho inertia, the Force of the bike must be greater than the Force of the car resisting lateral motion (force of friction). Since the bike and the rider don't weigh that much....the acceleration must have been HUGE. The rider likely hit the A-pillar with his body on the way over the car judging by the angle of displacement of the engine compartment, which catapaulted him UP into the air rather than OUT over the car, hence the reason that he ends up fairly close to the car.
As for the rider, the chest wall DOES NOT move during the time he is seen on the video. His left hand is edematous and very dusky looking suggesting lack of perfusion (read: no friggin' blood flow). Even if he was comatose and breathing, with all the chest wall trauma he would be frothing blood from the mouth, even if he didn't have facial fractures. It is possible that he does not have facial fractures as his helmet is intact, but he almost certainly has spine fractures at the very least. He likely isn't dead yet since he retains some tone in his lower limbs as you will note that his left leg is bent up at the knee and stays that way without assistance. However, his brain is probably pudding (officially called Diffuse Axonal Injury) which is bad, bad, bad with an even worse prognosis. Death for him is likely imminent within the timing of the video. The alternative is that he is already dead. Judging from the speed at which medical attention has arrived (or not) that is entirely possible, but it would take some time for rigor mortis to set in. From the traffic that passes the accident scene after the accident I bet that the accident has only happened within the past 10 min tops which is not enough time for the body to become rigid so the first explanation is more likely. The rider is not obviously in pieces because he is riding leathers, but I bet that once you cut everything off he had multiple "floating" fractures or near amputations.
It is kind of weird how the other riders don't get all worked up about it. One guy is even having a smoke right over the guy. They don't even bother to administer any first aid to the guy at all. Nothing. Nada. That is very, very weird. Even though I watched if a few times, it is kinda morbid that the guy with the camera could keep filming it without putting down the camera to help out.
s***....that is a lot of writing. Enough for now. It was more like $ 0.98 rather than $ 0.02, but whatever.
R
I've unfortunetly seen worse. If there's an SUV involved, it's usually that much WORSE. The bike and rider usually end up underneath the car's wheelwell. I was figuring that the guy was still alive also... but unconcious, had several broken ribs, nose and bleeding internally. I think if he made it outta that, he is probably going to be in a vegetative state for the rest of his life.
And checking someone's pulse with a thick glove on makes 0 sense. Dont know if anyone else caught that. lol
And checking someone's pulse with a thick glove on makes 0 sense. Dont know if anyone else caught that. lol
i think the biker dude died. the lady could have lived. i dont think the biker was speeding. he would be yards away from his bike and the car. i know a guy who has a twin turbocharged honda and he is always doing 170mph in it and i've seen alot of pics of his accidents. he just about broke everything you could possible brake. and he still gets right back on and do the same stupid stuff. i dont get it?
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looking at the extent of the damage to the car i'd say he was traveling pretty fast?
How about this one? Stumbled upon it while looking up the Swedish stunt rider Ghost Rider.
http://www.streetracersonline.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=10
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http://www.streetracersonline.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=10
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found out on a different site the guy who originally put the video up has taken it off b/c he has recieved a 1000 bill for gettin too many 'hits' on the site...dont really understand that but he wanst people to paypal him a dollar each so he can meake enough money to put it back up.....YEAH,THAT MIGHT HAPPEN!
His webhost alocated him say, 5gb and then $.01 per meg after thatof tranfer a month. that video say was 5mb. It got put on 1,000fourms across the world like us (he said 3200) eeach one of those fourms produces 25 hits. Lets do some math from each forum 25x5mb = 125mb of tranfer x 1000forums = 125000 megs, he had 5 gigs, and 120,000megs of transfer left.. at 1 cent a meg, he has a 1,200 dollar bill. Its very possible
