US Diesel's big splash introduction

[murky]

Monterra - its just that I feel personally many may not have a need for diesel. For example you cite 50% more torque, great. But those who drive in mostly urban flat areas with mix of city/highway with zero need of towing along with (a fact I just reviewed) - the EU diesel CX-5 doesn't seem to have too much acceleration gains in 0 to 62 is 10.3 sec. AWD! See here

Efficiency: I use non-premium gas and premium is always about .30 cents more and at today's prices it's about 10%. Coupled with diesel being even more than premium by at least an additional 10 cents I am looking at .40 cents increase which boils down to approx. 15% increase in cost vs. standard gas. I did some maths and yes - with higher MPG for diesel it comes out on top but (and a big but) out here with gasoline engines outshining diesel 1:20, # of pumps having diesel is much less and those which do have them are invariably on the costly side even for standard gasoline. In effect, that 15% increase is now 25% increase, then it makes no sense.

What I am trying to get at is Mazda might introduce the diesel but it'll be a tough sell, at least in these parts.

That's your area. Here diesel is sometimes more and sometimes less than 87 octane regular.

Just a few posts above, Robene explained the benefit of the torque in the way the car drives. It isn't about 0-60, or towing.

Better fuel economy isn't just about fuel cost, it also increases range.

I don't want to rev to 6000 RPM when I'm accelerating from a stoplight on my daily commute. I want the easy, low rpm torque that the diesel promises.

 

[bmninada]

Better fuel economy isn't just about fuel cost, it also increases range.

I don't want to rev to 6000 RPM when I'm accelerating from a stoplight on my daily commute. I want the easy, low rpm torque that the diesel promises.

Good points.... I missed the start/stop benefit. As for range, well: I ain't driving a Tesla, there's these days dime a dozen gas stations. But hey: that's my take on things. If someone is (say) near the Grand Canyon range definitely has a huge impact....

 

[murky]

Good points.... I missed the start/stop benefit. As for range, well: I ain't driving a Tesla, there's these days dime a dozen gas stations. But hey: that's my take on things. If someone is (say) near the Grand Canyon range definitely has a huge impact....

I prefer to buy fuel only on the weekend.

 

[Monterra]

Not all commutes are created equal though are they?
My generally uncongested 40 mile one way with hills screams diesel while your flat, likely much shorter more congested(guessing obviously) conditions with hov lanes and tolls (i have neither) are better suited to hybrids. Not sure how you arrived at 25% but no matter its just not for you and that's fine, you're certainly not alone but I think it'll do fine and bring more people to the brand.

 

[King Tut]

No - I'd love hybrids because I commute and hybrids allow me to use HOV. That, by itself is a killer feature. Tolls give a discount if hybrid. Another killer feature.

Not for everyone, I don't travel on roads/hwys that have HOV or tolls
What's a killer for you have zero value for me!

 

[bmninada]

I think we all got to the same point I initially tried to make. As a corporation - they have the F-ing technology, proven in field. Why they are delaying - year after year is perhaps now more relevant. There's this substantial sector who may not buy it, then a sector eagerly awaiting it and finally some - what the heck: let's see and run the numbers. With gas prices low and the way things are going up/down/etc. no wonder they keep delaying / keeping shut / etc. Let's just hope 2018 Skyactiv-D does indeed come out ; I really do hope but at the same time won't be at all surprised if they again push it out. BTW: My family did own a WW Toureg in Diesel and went thru the whole fiasco but was lucky as was able to get an awesome deal when all that started. Not comparing here and hope things are better with Mazda but diesel did seem to demand more upkeep in the long run to keep it purring smoothly. Folks I spoke to keep mentioning high maintenance costs for diesel engine. That also - might keep some folks off the market for a diesel. Also - do note: I attended college, etc. in a country where even the 2 door small cars were and are in diesel. Hell - many of them run on cylinder natural/LP gas.....

 

[Anchorman]

This 2017 diesel of mine is better on fuel and the oil level is absolutely riveted to the mark. It has not moved at all in 8000 Miles where the 2016 was off up the stick like a rat up a pipe. I agree that Mazda US has been negligent to the point of them deserving to lose customers by withholding info on this diesel.

 

[Xeler8ing]

There's got to be a reason why the long delay. Government regulation compliance, Mazda themselves (uhm)

Mazda North America needs to communicate better.

I could be wrong but Mazda Australia seems to communicate more generally.

 

[TinyTires]

I don’t care WHY it’s delayed. I care that there have been no announcements that can enlighten serious buyers. Immigration should stop importing cars from s**thole marketers.

 

[Xeler8ing]

Maybe if enough of you complain to Mazda North America, they might actually communicate to you

 

[Anchorman]

I don’t care WHY it’s delayed. I care that there have been no announcements that can enlighten serious buyers. Immigration should stop importing cars from s**thole marketers.

It’s nothing to do with Mazda, it’s your US PR department that needs to wake up.

 

[Xeler8ing]

It’s nothing to do with Mazda, it’s your US PR department that needs to wake up.

Exactly

 

[bmninada]

It’s nothing to do with Mazda, it’s your US PR department that needs to wake up.

They are still in college learning English, give them some time....

 

[Red MC]

In interviews, Mazda North America reps have said they are done making promises or predictions, because they've done that before and they were wrong. When I emailed Mazda NA about the diesel, all I got is a canned response. Several other people on the forum have done the same and received the same canned response. It looks like it will be announced when the invitations go out for a press drive event and it's ready for dealers to order, whenever that is, and not any sooner.

 

[Monterra]

If we still don't hear anything by nyias the Mazda reps aren't going to love the things I'll have to say considering this a pre-apology

 

[murky]

In interviews, Mazda North America reps have said they are done making promises or predictions, because they've done that before and they were wrong. When I emailed Mazda NA about the diesel, all I got is a canned response. Several other people on the forum have done the same and received the same canned response. It looks like it will be announced when the invitations go out for a press drive event and it's ready for dealers to order, whenever that is, and not any sooner.

Do you have a link to any of those interviews? I haven't been able to find any statements like that. It makes sense though.

 

[Kaps]

I dont care WHY its delayed. I care that there have been no announcements that can enlighten serious buyers. Immigration should stop importing cars from s**thole marketers.

Just when you think you have read all the awful posts on here - I can read mango's post all day long compared to this dross.

 

[Xeler8ing]

With the Detroit motor show now on, perfect opportunity for someone to grill Mazda at their stand!

 

[Red MC]

Do you have a link to any of those interviews? I haven't been able to find any statements like that. It makes sense though.

Here's one of them. The diesel part starts at 43:45.

I took a quick look for the other but didn't find it.

 

[murky]

Thanks Red. That was back in August, but does give some insight into the mindset.

The least Mazda could do is acknowledge that they missed the window they'd announced. Obviously something hasn't gone as planned.