TurboHoses SMIC & Hardpipes (Orders being taken)

[mazdaowner123]

Rawyzf, do you still have any heatsoak with the SMIC? Does it deliver the power gains each time including extended hard driving? Thanks.

~brian

 

[Rawyzf]

Rawyzf, do you still have any heatsoak with the SMIC? Does it deliver the power gains each time including extended hard driving? Thanks.

~brian

No heat soak what so ever, but then again I am in MN in the middle of winter .

Seriously though....the power gain is excellent, the power delivery is so smooth now. When boosting, it is very smooth through all the gears.

I havn't dyno'd it at all, but on stock boost, I cut off .7 second on the 0-60.....with my steelies on too!

I can't wait to see what it will be like at 10psi and with the Racing Harts back on!

Cheers,
Ryan

Oh...last thing, the install was pretty easy!

 

[geomatics_tech]

we have 5 SMIC's!!!

Get em while you can(protest) , it put the speed in my protege (bow)

shaun (canada)

 

[Chewbacca]

Unfortunately, I only have the money to get either the pipes or the intercooler... and while the pipes would make my engine bay look pretty tite, I think I'd rather go with the intercooler for the performance value...

Would the SMIC still work well with the OEM pipes?

 

[4001]

Yea they should work fine and if you dont plan to up boost the stock pipes can be a better choice for performance cause hard pipes increase intake temps

 

[StreetUnit]

Yea they should work fine and if you dont plan to up boost the stock pipes can be a better choice for performance cause hard pipes increase intake temps

Hardpiping made out of steel will increase intake temperatures. Aluminum piping does not heat up like steel will.

 

[4001]

From Turbohoses Site (regarding hardpipes)

During our test, we have found that using steel, stainless & aluminized steel not only added a considerable amount of weight to the system, but increased intake temperatures slightly higher than OEM piping on medium length drives.

The difference in temperatures was 30 dg., which is fairly significant. Keeping the temperatures down is the key to having your car run and perform better. All metal will ultimately increase temperatures, but some are much more resistance to the increase. Any metal piping will hold boost more effeciently.


Turbohoses R&D

I understand what your saying but I think if someone is going to keep their car at stock boost I think getting hardpipes becomes purly show and can only hurt performance regardless of the type of metal used

 

[StreetUnit]

From Turbohoses Site (regarding hardpipes)

During our test, we have found that using steel, stainless & aluminized steel not only added a considerable amount of weight to the system, but increased intake temperatures slightly higher than OEM piping on medium length drives.



I understand what your saying but I think if someone is going to keep their car at stock boost I think getting hardpipes becomes purly show and can only hurt performance regardless of the type of metal used

You are reading the information incorrectly, the above information is regarding steel. Steel and aluminized steel are two forms of steel. Steel is not good to use for hardpiping on a turbo car for a handful of reasons (tons of steel vs aluminum threads on this forum). Aluminum piping is a different story, aluminum piping is more benifitial in all aspects compared to steel and stock plastic piping.

That info that you got from TH on the steel piping was gathered because the market wanted a "cheaper" set of piping, their results only proved that the steel piping was not worth producing.

TurboHoses aluminum hardpiping does not hurt performance, I do not know where you have gotten that info from. I know you have been on this board for awhile and should know better than that. Let me know if you have any other questions...

Thanks

 

[StreetUnit]

Unfortunately, I only have the money to get either the pipes or the intercooler... and while the pipes would make my engine bay look pretty tite, I think I'd rather go with the intercooler for the performance value...

Would the SMIC still work well with the OEM pipes?

You will have more gains from the SMIC over the hardpiping kit...

 

[4001]

You are reading the information incorrectly, the above information is regarding steel. Steel and aluminized steel are two forms of steel. Steel is not good to use for hardpiping on a turbo car for a handful of reasons (tons of steel vs aluminum threads on this forum). Aluminum piping is a different story, aluminum piping is more benifitial in all aspects compared to steel and stock plastic piping.

That info that you got from TH on the steel piping was gathered because the market wanted a "cheaper" set of piping, their results only proved that the steel piping was not worth producing.

TurboHoses aluminum hardpiping does not hurt performance, I do not know where you have gotten that info from. I know you have been on this board for awhile and should know better than that. Let me know if you have any other questions...

Thanks

Yeah your right I misunderstood what was being said. But Other than holding boost better although I havent had a problem with that in the 2 years of having the carI am unsure as how hardpipes would benefit someone stying with stock boost because any metal is going to create more heat than plastic ( I would think). Even upping the boost to 9-10psi on the stock pipes shouldnt cause much if any problems. And ive heard of a good number of people who have problems with hardpipes hitting the master cyclinder and although that problem can be handled easily its just one more thing to be concerned with instaed of just sticking with the stock pipes

 

[rocketspeed]

The stock plastic pipes are prone to cracking and leaks. This is the best reason to get rid of them. Any performance claims at the boost levels MSP's run are dubious.

 

[StreetUnit]

Guys,
As far as gains with the TurboHoses aluminum kit, the material is T-6 aluminum. . T-6 dissipates and reduces heat soaking the best out of all steel and aluminum applications, especially the plastic piping. The piping has the least amount of bends to decrease the length air has to travel and they wont expand under boosting like the stock plastic piping. Aluminum will not rust either. Here are a few past threads...

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb230/showthread.php?t=65706

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb230/showthread.php?t=77001

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb230/showthread.php?t=79841

 

[Turbohoses]

From Turbohoses Site (regarding hardpipes)

During our test, we have found that using steel, stainless & aluminized steel not only added a considerable amount of weight to the system, but increased intake temperatures slightly higher than OEM piping on medium length drives.



I understand what your saying but I think if someone is going to keep their car at stock boost I think getting hardpipes becomes purly show and can only hurt performance regardless of the type of metal used

The stock IC pipes can not support even stock boost levels.
Do a before and after on a dyno and get you'll get your answers from the RPM curve.

Turbohoses R&D

 

[Puckpimp71]

DAYUM... one more week 'til I get my tax refund and I need tires. I swear I'm never gonna have enough saved up for the SMIC.........

 

[4001]

The stock IC pipes can not support even stock boost levels.
Do a before and after on a dyno and get you'll get your answers from the RPM curve.

Turbohoses R&D

How so, I havent had a boost leak, broken pipe or any type of problem with the pipes and considering I dont have the easiest access to a dyno as say you, what is it that can be shown from a dyno that explains the pipes cant handle stock boost?

 

[Turbohoses]

How so, I havent had a boost leak, broken pipe or any type of problem with the pipes and considering I dont have the easiest access to a dyno as say you, what is it that can be shown from a dyno that explains the pipes cant handle stock boost?

Unless you test your vehicle for "optimum" performance, you will not know what how your "vehicle" should/can perform.
Just because you don't have a boost leak doesn't mean your vehicle can not run better than what the factory offers.
Again, our research which we've posted many moons ago shows our results and comments through thorough testing.

Turbohoses R&D

We rarely post on forums, please feel free to email us directly as we rarely check posts on forums.

sales@turbohoses.com

 

[apocman]

Unless you test your vehicle for "optimum" performance, you will not know what how your "vehicle" should/can perform.
Just because you don't have a boost leak doesn't mean your vehicle can not run better than what the factory offers.
Again, our research which we've posted many moons ago shows our results and comments through thorough testing.

Turbohoses R&D

We rarely post on forums, please feel free to email us directly as we rarely check posts on forums.

sales@turbohoses.com

I like your company and **********. i like your websites and you guys post data which is so hard to come by it seems. This allows for me to trust you more and feel more compelled to purchase your products!!! keep up the good work. I will be buying from you soon!!!

 

[Turbohoses]

I like your company and **********. i like your websites and you guys post data which is so hard to come by it seems. This allows for me to trust you more and feel more compelled to purchase your products!!! keep up the good work. I will be buying from you soon!!!

Thanks for the encouragement....

Although data is important, service is just as important, if not the most important. Turbohoses has supplied parts for this community for the past few years very successfully and we are proud to offer assistance whenever/however possible. We have customer service available M-F, a service center for our local and sometimes not so local customers, chassis dyno testing and in-house fabrication.

Example:

Recently one of our local DSM customers purchased an intercooler kit that was fairly reasonably priced from another vendor, we quoted him and it was a few hundred dollars more which he declined. Five months later, his end tank cracked and the company he purchased the IC kit from was out of business. At this point service is more important and there wasn't any available. We were able to fabricate him new endtanks and repair what was needed, but in the end he could have just purchased a custom kit from us which includes a warranty. This "service" is sometimes overlooked when products are purchased. We encourage people to not just look at a single product, but the company as a whole to see if what your purchasing is backed by a company that can support their products now and in the future.

Thanks again,

Turbohoses R&D

 

[apocman]

Thanks for the encouragement....

Although data is important, service is just as important, if not the most important. Turbohoses has supplied parts for this community for the past few years very successfully and we are proud to offer assistance whenever/however possible. We have customer service available M-F, a service center for our local and sometimes not so local customers, chassis dyno testing and in-house fabrication.

Example:

Recently one of our local DSM customers purchased an intercooler kit that was fairly reasonably priced from another vendor, we quoted him and it was a few hundred dollars more which he declined. Five months later, his end tank cracked and the company he purchased the IC kit from was out of business. At this point service is more important and there wasn't any available. We were able to fabricate him new endtanks and repair what was needed, but in the end he could have just purchased a custom kit from us which includes a warranty. This "service" is sometimes overlooked when products are purchased. We encourage people to not just look at a single product, but the company as a whole to see if what your purchasing is backed by a company that can support their products now and in the future.

Thanks again,

Turbohoses R&D

If your company was a women, I would marry it!!!!!(kiss) Now, why can't wives think the same way?(shrug) J/k'ing

That is how a company should act! (yippy) know their s***, offer the best products, stand behind their work and treat the customer like they own the place.(kissass)


I was with my brother the other day, he was buying tires from this little whole in the wall place and I was like why is he buying tire here and not at Discount tires. He was like these guys kickass they offer good prices, great work and fix their mistakes. He said the first time he went there they scratched every one of his rims on his MSP. The guy ordered brand new ones and took care of him (and my brother can be a hot headed technical/fact know'ing pain in the ass sometimes) and these guys love him and give him great services.

Well as we were leaving the store (metal barn really) I noticed a sign hanging up and it read "the customer is the boss, becuase he can fire everyone in the company by taking his business elsewhere!" and after hearing and seeing all of that I feel compelled to buy my tires and stuff from him from now on.

 

[MSPimp]

I am new to the MSP world. And it sounds like ********** and Turbohoses are great companies to work with. I too hope to be buying this SMIC and Hardpipes from them. Sounds like a great buy for the weekend racer/daily driver my car will be used for.