^^^ Turbo Performance Kit ^^^ Stage I , II and III

[spoolinmp3]

Yes I was the one believe it or not that gave keyserscott that recommendation, I know this goes against conventional wisdom regarding intercooling. Many will disagree with me on this but as Perf stated I had my reasons. And here they are:
Our number one seller believe it or not is our stage 1 kit
People have the least issues with this kit
And have had for the most part a much easier time installing.
We have like 6 stage 1 kits running around in central and south florida. Some of you know that its hot as hell down there. With low boost levels we have had no detonation at 4.5 psi ragging on the cars day in and day out...............On the other hand more guys with the intercooled setups get power hungry and are more likely to encounter problems. When I spoke to Scott he wanted a trouble free, worry free cheap system that would not strain his tranny, and I told him stage 1 all the way. Its a trouble free solution. He then asked me about the stage 4 upgrade and I told him a stanalone is a bit of overkill and if he wanted to upgrade the ecu he may want to look into the Perf piggy back.
So this is the reasoning to my solution for Scott...........thanks for not flaming

 

[Little Beavis]

I want to chime in and say there were a number of factory cars that came out without intercoolers. An intercooler is nice, yes, but at low boost, you aren't really raising the temperature that much. (Please don't attack this, I have no desire to dig out the calculator. . .I'm tired.) Anyway, intercooling is certainly helpful, no one debates this. But if leaving it out forces the boost to stay low and eliminates a bunch of piping (it does both), it certainly helps to create a more trouble and worry free kit. I agree.

 

[Familia323]

I agree also... But I think what Perf was trying to get at was, that it isnt going to hurt anything and can only help keep things running smoothly by adding an intercooler.

its kind of like putting a security system in your car. It might cost a little bit more and be a pain in the ass to put in at first, but it helps reduce the risk of your car being stolen. And now you can feel a little safer when you are away from your car. Just like you can feel a little safer running boost in your car because you have added protection from the intercooler. Not to mention, it looks badass! (yes)

 

[Micah]

LOL. Man, Micah, you and you're weddings.

No s***, I just had a buddies not even a month ago too. While I was at this one, I got invited to another in North Carolina's "Outer Banks". Damn people keep getting married, I keep showing up, giving cards and cash, eating the food and getting really drunk - so far so good. Nobody has messed up my "cabbage patch". ( Kevin Smith reference )

 

[keyserscott]

Great info. Spoolin. That's what I was looking for. I just wanted your reasoning in detail along with Perfworks. What I didn't want was to start a big debate/flame. Terry, is absolutley correct, my main goal is a safe, reliable car. He's always been gracious enough to answer a lot of my newbie questions.

 

[perfworks]

I want to chime in and say there were a number of factory cars that came out without intercoolers. An intercooler is nice, yes, but at low boost, you aren't really raising the temperature that much. (Please don't attack this, I have no desire to dig out the calculator. . .I'm tired.) Anyway, intercooling is certainly helpful, no one debates this. But if leaving it out forces the boost to stay low and eliminates a bunch of piping (it does both), it certainly helps to create a more trouble and worry free kit. I agree.

The cars only came that way for economy. When you install an intercooler the car IS SAFER. It will keep internal charge temps low. That way the fuel will "mix" and burn efficiently. NOTE this is not a flame
Any way, The ONLY AND I REPEAT THE ONLY reason they and others dont go with intercoolers is for cost . PERIOD. You take a risk of introducing higher than ambient temps into the cylinder. This promotes BAD combustion characteristics.

 

[perfworks]

Great info. Spoolin. That's what I was looking for. I just wanted your reasoning in detail along with Perfworks. What I didn't want was to start a big debate/flame. Terry, is absolutley correct, my main goal is a safe, reliable car. He's always been gracious enough to answer a lot of my newbie questions.

No offense please dont get mad, but your car is SAFER with an intercooler. The fact remains that with a hotter charge , NO MATTER WHAT PSI, it will not be saferfor internal combustion temps which are directly related to DETONATION.
I have stated earlier and one more time now. IT doesnt matter what psi you run. ANYTHING over atmospheric pressure you are increasing the charge rate and increasing past ambient temps that are normally outside.

 

[haig]

No s***, I just had a buddies not even a month ago too. While I was at this one, I got invited to another in North Carolina's "Outer Banks". Damn people keep getting married, I keep showing up, giving cards and cash, eating the food and getting really drunk - so far so good. Nobody has messed up my "cabbage patch". ( Kevin Smith reference )

I'd just like to say a couple of things:
1) Micah, I really hope your car is a bomb, because I'm looking into FI for my P5 auto
2) You think you have weddings? Try 6 this year... 2 weekends ago, last weekend and this weekend, then Aug 9, 10, 16...

P.S. Good job to Perf for all the info and the work being done for our protege community...

 

[keyserscott]

Thanks for the information Spoolin and Perfworks. I am still quite undecided. I am very curious to see all of the results come back from Micah's kit as I have an sportshift auto. And Micah, I have 2 weddings in Upstate NY a month apart, both I am in the wedding party. And I have to fly up from Atlanta.

 

[Kooldino]

Geez, all of a sudden it's a wedding competiton over here!

Anyway, keyser, let me begin by saying that your avatar makes me both sad and nauseous at the same time.
:-D

That being said, you can get away with 5psi non intercooled, since you won't be building a ton of extra heat. BUT, intercooled is safer and more powerful. And more $.

 

[Micah]

TURBO RULES

 

[Micah]

WEDDINGS SUCK (damn things take away money and time from the turbo)

 

[Kooldino]

AUTO TRANNYS SUCK.


<--jerk

 

[Bigg Tim]

Originally posted by Kooldino

Anyway, keyser, let me begin by saying that your avatar makes me both sad and nauseous at the same time.
:-D

(rofl) (lol)
Man that cracked me up!!!!!!!!

 

[keyserscott]

good. better than boring I guess.

 

[Kooldino]

good. better than boring I guess.

Eh. So is that a pic of someone yo know or some random internet pic?

 

[eeterp]

Speaking of valve springs.... any word of possible stiffer springs for our motor? I would be very interested in a set of those!!!! Let me know Nick! Please!

Dave

I BELIEVE the FS-ZE uses stiffer valve springs because it has a higher redline than the similar 2.0 FS-DE in the US. The protege touring cars rev to 8500+rpm. You may want to call Tripoint engineering or sunbelt performance. In general, if you aren't going to raise your redline, you don't need valve springs. With your setup, I can see that you would benefit from a higher redline, though.

Perf,

Are you using the stock head gasket on your stage 1,2, and 3 turbo kits? Do you have the ability to make a larger throttle body or a nice/large intake plenum?

 

[iON Performance]

eeterp - valvesprings are a good idea not just for higher revs. If you're running boost, it's a good idea to have valve springs which have a high enough rate to shut the valves afterwards.

 

[keyserscott]

Eh. So is that a pic of someone yo know or some random internet pic?

No one I know. Just a random picture. I guess I get some sick enjoyment out of pictures like that. It just reminds me of things that I have seen that make me laugh, usually at the expense of others.

 

[keyserscott]

Kooldino, let me know, I'll send you a bunch of goodies.