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Does this thing have an O/D "gear" or is it just a standard 5 speed auto?
The window sticker states a standard 5 speed auto. Says nothing about O/D, don't think the owners manual says anything about it either that I could find.
If it has an O/D then that explains a lot and is there any way to turn it off?
If it doesn't...then I got a problem...
Thanks!
 
Yeah, it has overdrive. The 4th gear ratio is 1:1 but I can't seem to find anything to back that up. I know I found it at one point, but I'm having no luck either.
 
In response to turning it off, use the manual mode and just don't shift above 4th would be my solution. I don't think there is a disable switch.
 
Well my car is a 5 speed auto. When in manumatic I can see it shift through all the gears then I'm just cruising along and a little while (within a minute or so) later it shifts again only dropping like 250RPM.
 
It's probably your torque convertor locking up. That is normal.

Clifton
 
Well my car is a 5 speed auto. When in manumatic I can see it shift through all the gears then I'm just cruising along and a little while (within a minute or so) later it shifts again only dropping like 250RPM.

It shifts while its in the manual mode?
 
It shifts while its in the manual mode?
Yea, I'll go all the way up to 5th in the manual mode and then (within 1 minute or so) it will obviously shift again and the tach will drop about 250RPM but nothing more. I've been futsing with the Expedition's O/D setting since it's a 4 speed with O/D, turning it on and off shows results and it only drops about 250-400RPM on the tach when switched on and jumps about that amount when turned off. So I thought it was an O/D gear in teh Mazda but there's nothing that remotely hints to it having an O/D gear after gear 5.
 
Most if not all cars with automatic transmissions have a lockup torque converter. It only works in top gear with the engine warm and usually happens at around 40 mph when the vehicle is cruising along.

The transmission isn't shifting, a clutch in the converter locks up so there is no slippage in the converter. When going up a hill or accelerating the torque converter unlocks and rpm will increase slightly. If there is a demand for more power the transmission will then shift to a lower gear.

It wouldn't shift when you are in manual but I do believe the the torque converter lock-up still works when in manual. When it locks or unlocks the rpm will change. It's used so the car can meet the average fuel consumption requirements.

5 gear is the overdrive, it isn't supposed to have an OD on top of the the gear.

Clifton
 
Most if not all cars with automatic transmissions have a lockup torque converter. It only works in top gear with the engine warm and usually happens at around 40 mph when the vehicle is cruising along.

The transmission isn't shifting, a clutch in the converter locks up so there is no slippage in the converter. When going up a hill or accelerating the torque converter unlocks and rpm will increase slightly. If there is a demand for more power the transmission will then shift to a lower gear.

It wouldn't shift when you are in manual but I do believe the the torque converter lock-up still works when in manual. When it locks or unlocks the rpm will change. It's used so the car can meet the average fuel consumption requirements.

5 gear is the overdrive, it isn't supposed to have an OD on top of the the gear.

Clifton
Haha! No slippage...that's a funny one.
Speed does not effect it, it ALWAYS happens when it hits the end of 5th.
Thanks.
I was wondering because there are a lot of cars out there that use 6 speed transmissions and then have an O/D gear on top. Essentially if you turn it off, I'm sure it just doesn't use the 6th gear but that's what I'm saying. Like on the Exped there are 4 gears and an O/D...which is 5th I presume.
 
This Article explains how a lockup torque converter operates.
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/sec/execdiv/techasmt/ecep/auto/f/f.htm
Quoted from the above article.
"Once turbine speed is approximately 90% of impeller speed, the one-way clutch race spins on its own axis. At this point, the converter is said to be "coupled hydraulically." Under these conditions, up to 10% of the engine's output power could be lost to the torque converter's internal slippage. This accounts for most of the mpg difference between a standard and automatic transmission vehicle."

Notice they use the word "slippage" which you found funny.

Conditions for torque converter lockup are quoted.

"3. Under low engine vacuum, heavy part-throttle acceleration is an additional power demand which could result in the engine lugging. To prevent engine lugging, which could result in serious engine damage, a sensor determines if low manifold vacuum exists.

Typical lockup converters connect these sensors in a series creating a "string" arrangement. That is, if one sensor gives a "no" signal then the converter will not lockup. Therefore, for most converters to lockup, the following must be present:

a. Coolant must be at or above minimum temperature.
b. Transmission selector must be in drive if a non-overdrive vehicle or in "O" or "OD" overdrive if an overdrive vehicle.
c. Vehicle must be at or above minimum lockup speed.
d. Vehicle must be in a cruise or near cruise condition.
e. Transmission must have shifted into the top gear."

I have Owned 5 vehicles with automatic overdrive transmissions. All had/have lockup torque converters. They were/are all 4 speed automatics. In all cases when the OD is turned off the transmission drops to 3rd gear and essentially becomes a 3 speed transmission until the OD is turned on. No OD on top of the 4 speeds. I also have a Mazda 3 with a 4 speed sport transmission. It does not have an overdrive on top of the 4speeds.

Clifton
 
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I can attest, the 5 speed auto with the manual shift option is horrible, it will shift for you if you push it where it doesn't like to be. going up a steep hill in 5th gear in manual mode I have had the car shift down to 4th on me when I give it a lot of gas. It also shifts back down to first at a stop for you. It also doesn't like to shift when you actually shift the car, it waits until it thinks it should shift. I bought my car with the manual shift option because my last car was stick, but my fiance can't drive stick, and I never use the manual mode because it drives nothing like a car that is stick when using the manual mode.

Oh well, I still love the car, but wish it were stick.
 
I can attest, the 5 speed auto with the manual shift option is horrible, it will shift for you if you push it where it doesn't like to be. going up a steep hill in 5th gear in manual mode I have had the car shift down to 4th on me when I give it a lot of gas. It also shifts back down to first at a stop for you. It also doesn't like to shift when you actually shift the car, it waits until it thinks it should shift. I bought my car with the manual shift option because my last car was stick, but my fiance can't drive stick, and I never use the manual mode because it drives nothing like a car that is stick when using the manual mode.

Oh well, I still love the car, but wish it were stick.
Yea mine upshifts for me and the gear LCD still says I'm in top gear sometimes. It also does like to shift when it feels suitable not when you tell it to, it's very crappy programming to say the least.
This Article explains how a lockup torque converter operates.
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/sec/execdiv/techasmt/ecep/auto/f/f.htm
Quoted from the above article.
"Once turbine speed is approximately 90% of impeller speed, the one-way clutch race spins on its own axis. At this point, the converter is said to be "coupled hydraulically." Under these conditions, up to 10% of the engine's output power could be lost to the torque converter's internal slippage. This accounts for most of the mpg difference between a standard and automatic transmission vehicle."

Notice they use the word "slippage" which you found funny.

Conditions for torque converter lockup are quoted.

"3. Under low engine vacuum, heavy part-throttle acceleration is an additional power demand which could result in the engine lugging. To prevent engine lugging, which could result in serious engine damage, a sensor determines if low manifold vacuum exists.

Typical lockup converters connect these sensors in a series creating a "string" arrangement. That is, if one sensor gives a "no" signal then the converter will not lockup. Therefore, for most converters to lockup, the following must be present:

a. Coolant must be at or above minimum temperature.
b. Transmission selector must be in drive if a non-overdrive vehicle or in "O" or "OD" overdrive if an overdrive vehicle.
c. Vehicle must be at or above minimum lockup speed.
d. Vehicle must be in a cruise or near cruise condition.
e. Transmission must have shifted into the top gear."

I have Owned 5 vehicles with automatic overdrive transmissions. All had/have lockup torque converters. They were/are all 4 speed automatics. In all cases when the OD is turned off the transmission drops to 3rd gear and essentially becomes a 3 speed transmission until the OD is turned on. No OD on top of the 4 speeds. I also have a Mazda 3 with a 4 speed sport transmission. It does not have an overdrive on top of the 4speeds.

Clifton
With those 5 steps,
a. Does it when I first start it up and it hits 5th
b. does it in manumatic
c. dunno what that may be
d. manumatic - so just when I feel suitable for 5th, doesn't mean it's cruising
e. yes

I've had gripe with this transmission since my second month of ownership. I feel Mazda could have built it better and programmed it better back in R&D. Then again, the way the engine runs it doesn't really surprise me that it is like this.

I found slippage funny because my transmission has more slippage than a vaseline covered ice slope used for penguins to slide into the arctic ocean.(yupnope)
 

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