Torn: Emanage or megasquirt

[boostisgood]

WoW, I have been reading up a bito n the megasquirt system and it seems to be a great unit. I have found several that are prebuilt, come with harness's (tuning, injector, timing ect ect) program CD's, pretty much RTR outta the box for around 500 bucks. Same price for a new Emanage with the bells and whistles.

It also seems that alot of whats built into the megasquirt is for Fords (the MSP/Protege runs EECV ford pcms) and from what I have read so far, I can eliminate my MAF and go with a MAP. (YaY speed density)

If I choose, I could order the it and build it myself. I like to do things like that and have a static free setup for doing electronics from when I was doing car stereo stuff. I have been into the DIY stuff for my care as of late, and think this would be a great task to take on.

On the other hand, quite a few people are running the emanage already and can offer direct support for our specific vehicle. ITs RTR, and seems to be a pretty straight forward design.

Ayaways, anyone got suggestions here, or if anyone is running the megasquirt flawlessly, let me know how and what you did. I did search but did not find much. I know I got alot more reading to do, and will read up more tonite.

Regards,
Craig

 

[Bigg Tim]

I have never used either system, but between the 2, I would say megasquirt because the emanage does not have real time tuning capabilities. I personally like to be able to tune real time as opposed to dataloging and then playing it back, making changes, running it to see how you like it, then repeat. It's nice to make a change and see how it affected the car right away.

The emanage does have more users so that is a plus when it comes to ecperience level. Good luck with the decision.(thumb)

 

[boostisgood]

Thanks Timm. I gotta run to school, and Im gonna get all the info on our sensors. switches, ect ect and see what setup is best for our cars. Im really starting to like this megasquirt setup more and more. Easier to get info off thier forums and always having the updates available is great too.

 

[03MzdSpdSTP]

I love my PnP unichip!

 

[boostisgood]

Holy crap that looks like s***. THATS from an emanage setup ?

 

[flat_black]

Mmmmmmbuttsplices. Bleh.

Learn to solder and use heat shrink tubing.

 

[tekkie]

I have never used either system, but between the 2, I would say megasquirt because the emanage does not have real time tuning capabilities. I personally like to be able to tune real time as opposed to dataloging and then playing it back, making changes, running it to see how you like it, then repeat. It's nice to make a change and see how it affected the car right away.

The emanage does have more users so that is a plus when it comes to ecperience level. Good luck with the decision.(thumb)

what do you mean it does not have real time tuning? you can tune it in real time no problem

 

[ion332]

Emanage iirc it doesn't have spark control unless you dump more cash.

Plus, support for Emanage? Yaaa right.

Get on www.msefi.com and get an answer IMMEDIATELY.

Ok, if you run MS, get the MS 3.0 board with the V2.2 cpu config'd for squirt and spark.

You then get:
EGT logging
WB support
nitrous control
water injection control
knock input
traction control
flat shift
12x12 spark table
12x12 fuel table

Your option of
EDIS
coilpacks
COP
you name it

Run ANY type of injector


blah blah blah..

I mean, the MS just rocks. period.

I run one right now, its def the most cost effective feature laden system ever and it was very easy to set up and get running.

Mine was a first time start.

And, lets not forget getting rid of the VAF is pretty nice.

 

[Bigg Tim]

what do you mean it does not have real time tuning? you can tune it in real time no problem

That's what I was told by a guy who runs it. You have to datalog then view the datalog and then make changes. You can't make changes while driving the car real time. Meaning, you can't view/change fuel or timing live,only viaa datalog, Is that wrong? If it is, then I apologize for saying incorrect info, that is just what I have been told. Like I stated earlier, I have not used either.

 

[boostisgood]

Ion this is on a protege you got it running on ? Shoot me a PM with wiring diags if you got one

 

[boostisgood]

Hrrm. I see nothing refarding keeping my stock gauges (Speedo, tach odo) in operation with the megasquirt. Anyone know ?

 

[wicked]

you can run MS and keep your stock speedo,but to do it you need to keep the ECU in the car still.best way is to interecpt the coil,and injector wires and send them to the MS,leave the rest to the ECU.
you will be able to fullt tune your car,and still have ABS alt control,and speedo,only down side.........the "check engine" light will always be on.

 

[boostisgood]

wicked, my man. You ever seen one of these ? played with one? I was thinkin the same thing, and just pulling the dummy lite out. I mean, alot better control then the greddy offers. Imma keep reading up.

 

[brealmp3]

just so you know here is the full version of my dilemma with greddy.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123628952

 

[boostisgood]

Man that long.

 

[wicked]

wicked, my man. You ever seen one of these ? played with one? I was thinkin the same thing, and just pulling the dummy lite out. I mean, alot better control then the greddy offers. Imma keep reading up.

yeah,I have built one for a volvo,and am considering useing one on my car if I can't get this MPI to work for me.

 

[boostisgood]

yeah,I have built one for a volvo,and am considering useing one on my car if I can't get this MPI to work for me.

Sorry to hear about the MPI. Anyways, I think this is the route Im gonna take, ill keep ya posted.

 

[tekkie]

That's what I was told by a guy who runs it. You have to datalog then view the datalog and then make changes. You can't make changes while driving the car real time. Meaning, you can't view/change fuel or timing live,only viaa datalog, Is that wrong? If it is, then I apologize for saying incorrect info, that is just what I have been told. Like I stated earlier, I have not used either.

yeah whoever told you that has no idea what they are talking about you can change on the fly all day long

 

[tekkie]

Emanage iirc it doesn't have spark control unless you dump more cash.

wrong, emanage has ignition control, real time also

 

[ion332]

I have put a few MS's on lately.. Good thing is that with the EEC-v stuff, you can get a plug and play board for em.

Plus too the support is ENORMOUS.. Greddy can't say that.

Overall, I don't like Greddy, period. No way no how does it have the same features that you can get with the MSnS.

Plus, I am currently working on an ECU stim setup that will allow you to leave your stock ECU in, and it will trick the stock ECU into thinking everything is just happy as ever. Reason I am doing this is that a cop buddy of mine said that municipalities are getting VERY serious about cracking down on modified cars, and are trying to figure out legal ways to confiscate modified vehicles under the Rico Laws.

" RICO claim is broad but a RICO conspiracy claim is even broader. Anyone who agrees or conspires to pursue the same criminal objective can be held liable for a RICO violation. Salinas v. United States, 522 U.S. 22, 63-64 (1997). "If conspirators have a plan which calls for some conspirators to perpetrate the crime and others to provide support, the supporters are as guilty as the perpetrators."

By disabling your stock ecu you are willfully and unlawfully bypassing federally mandated EPA equipment with intent to commit crime (speeding and endangerment) to engage in an enterprise (gambling/betting on race outcomes) and its gets VERY close to the definition of racketeering under the RICO statutes...

So, some municipalities are teaching the police to pull over obviously modified cars and they are equipping police with OBD scanners to monitor ECU activity. If you have modifications, car runs but with an inop stock ECU, and you are missing a cat then your car CAN be confiscated under the RICO statutes.

So, only way to get around that is to use the programmable ecu to stim the stock ECU so that the stock ecu gives the police the information they are looking for when scanned.

I am telling everyone here that there is soon to be an absolute modified car grab by the local police THIS YEAR. Its no bs.

Many small cities and towns are OUT OF MONEY and they want more: taking your car away and selling it will give them that money and they are making plans to do it. The lawyers are already being retained to start dealing with the huge number of cases that are going to occur this spring and summer.

But, to make a long story short, Greddy CANNOT and WILL NOT EVER be able to stim your stock ecu. The open source nature of the MSnS will allow this to happen.