Top ten signs you are a Christian

God gives us choices in religion he does not dictate our every move because he wants us to see our mistakes but he is forgiving in when we make a mistake as long as we learn and grow from that mistake and work on not making it again we are forgiven by "God"
I'm not buying it. If we have free will, given to us by God, with no clear word as to what is right or wrong (the bible is not clear word) how can we be punished for making the wrong choice?

I do what I know is right. How do I know what is right?
2. Don't hurt anyone.
3. Try to make things better.

I don't need religion to tell me that. Even if I did, how would I know which one to ask? Religion does well as a way to give those who can't think for themselves a reason to be good. But face it, it's a threat: Be good or go to Hell.

I don't go to church, but I'm a good person.
 
Your professor has a valid point. Here is my take on it god may have chosen those who died to come to heaven or were sin free because they believed. Not to put it into a fictional book but if any of you have read the left behind series in the first book god took those he wanted in heaven at that very moment and those with sin free hearts. God may have been selecting those to come to heaven at that time, there perpose on earth may have been complete. As for the ones that suffered I can't explain that only to maybe that that was a "devils" battle and that he had a a hand in that. The survivors helped to shape the worlds views by sharing their stories and that may have been a blessing so that people could see the evil out there. That is just another view that someone might take.
 
He said when you boil it down, he's either powerless, cruel or doesn't exist, and he's not going to believe in a god that's powerless or refuses to take action when needed.
This is what I was trying to get at earlier with the All knowing, all loving all powerful thing earlier.
 
Foolish said:
I'm not buying it. If we have free will, given to us by God, with no clear word as to what is right or wrong (the bible is not clear word) how can we be punished for making the wrong choice?

I do what I know is right. How do I know what is right?
2. Don't hurt anyone.
3. Try to make things better.

I don't need religion to tell me that. Even if I did, how would I know which one to ask? Religion does well as a way to give those who can't think for themselves a reason to be good. But face it, it's a threat: Be good or go to Hell.

I don't go to church, but I'm a good person.


There is clear word it is actually set in stone. The commandments. Everything else in organized religion is based off of them in one way or another. Free Will is givin to you by god as a way for you to make choices but remember that the commandments were inspired by god and they serve as a guidline for what he would like to see in people. If you look at god as a threat "be good or go to hell" then you really don't understand the purpose of god. As for your believes you are actually farther ahead than most christians and i comend you for that because there are many christians that still struggle with those very basic principals and if you can follow them thats great.


I think this thread is a great debate but I am begining to feel outnumbered. :D
 
There are many things in religion that I don't understand and maybe never will. And I am deffinatly not an expert on the subject as I deal with many of my own problem wrongfully. So maybe I am not qualified to even answer questions or make any replies but I do anway because I am strong in my beliefs.
 
Top #1 sign that you're an idiot.

1) Starting a thread JUST to get everyone arguing over something that people will NEVER agree on by insulting millions of people.
 
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edit- because i don't want to get mixed up in an internet debate...

Lighten up folks.
 
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Personally, I have a hard time believe in god...sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, kinda torned actually....also I don't believe in the after life, we die, we lived our one moment in time and thats it. Kinda sad, but thats how I THINK it is. I may be wrong.

And one thing about Christians, what if you do follow the guidelines and be good, but inside you know you want to be partying, having fun, doing not so good things. You do right on the outside, but are tempted on the inside? you pretty much have to pure both out and in and thats impossible...its all a tool to keep us in line. Blah ignored me :P
 
Well, I hope you won't generalize "Christians" like that though. I'd say Top Ten signs you're a "freaky Christian" cause we're not all like that. I am a Catholic which is part of Christianity and I must admit that many do have very narrow-minded views on religion, even their own. I believe that religion is personal, and is such personally interpreted which can be a good thing if it is used to direct your life and a bad thing if forced on others. I find too many similarities in the core beliefs of other religions and mine, to condemn anyone's beliefs. My beliefs are as follows:

1)The Bible is a guide written a long time ago for people who don't have the knowledge we have today. If I am to believe that God is a supreme-being then our knowledge level at the time would have been taken into account. Hence its simplification of creation etc. If God were to say that "I created Earth billions of years ago", it'll confuse the people of the time, considering they don't even know what a decimal point is. So use the Bible as a guide, a history of your beliefs. God gave us all malleable minds and obviously wants us to think, question and be "human". Nothing wrong with that.

2) I hate it when any leader believes "God is on my side". Please, God has better things to do than to pick a side. And if God were to interject in every political decision or any decision for that matter, then there would be no point in living, since our ability to choose is lost.

3) Most people will go to Heaven, agnostics, aetheists, other religions etc.. I believe that God understands His creations enough to know we're all different. Never limit God's understanding. Those who go to Hell are those who intentionally do wrong w/o remorse. It's never enough to say you're sorry, you have to believe it, and if so there isn't a reason why you shouldn't be forgiven.

The problem with many Christians, specifically hardliners, is that they in fact LIMIT God's understanding. Unfortunately it is giving all of us genuinely religious Christians a bad name. You're no better than other religious extremists.
 
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Natey said:
Top #1 sign that you're an idiot.

1) Starting a thread JUST to get everyone arguing over something that people will NEVER agree on by insulting millions of people.


Natey, suck my taint.

It is obvious that you are the idiot if this is the only think you can come up with for this discussion.

Moron.

mx3ownzj00 said:
Ceej- I'm amazed...


I've been reading the Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagles as well as a book from Marcus J. Borg regarding the history of the Christian religion and contemporary faith. Its quite interesting to learn about the MANY other gospels which were labelled heretical, by who and for what reasons, and contemporary theology. Oh the joy of religion... I don't think there is anything else in this world that tears people apart quite as well.

Indeed sir, indeed.
 
good stuff

That was AWESOME!!!!!
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10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
 
(jerkit) Good Job



Slider said:
Natey, suck my taint.

It is obvious that you are the idiot if this is the only think you can come up with for this discussion.

Moron.



Indeed sir, indeed.
 
Foolish said:
I don't go to church, but I'm a good person.

I don't go to church (or mosque in my family's case) AND i'm a bad person. I've hurt people and myself during my few years on earth, and I'm pretty sure it will happen again. (blowup) I usually don't wish for it to happen, but that doesn't matter...cuz it does. I have my own set of morals and values that as an atheist I don't need a religion to justifty. I try my best to live by them, but I often come short.

I'm a bad person, and if there is a hell, I'm going there. But just because the christian dude who always tries to convert me at the post office (or a costumed guy in a church or mosque or on TV) says I'll burn doesn't mean I should live my life in fear. Whether you're hoping for heaven, or terrified of hell you should live your life as you see fit.

To quote bob marley (one of the few religious musicians i like), "most people think great god will come from the sky, take away everything and make everybody feel high. but if you know what life is worth, then you would look for your's on earth. so now we seen the light, we gonna stand up for our right. jah"
 
txrxs said:
Nice and true...get the flame suit ready though

Slider said:
I couldn't care less.
(Natey heckles)


Slider said:
Natey, suck my taint.


It is obvious that you are the idiot if this is the only think you can come up with for this discussion.
Moron.
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well this was entertaining conversation while I was at work. I think we can all agree on one thing and that is everyone has his or her own opinion and everyone has a right to express it. Now I must go home and head to Wed. night bible study. (hi) Have a great night and play nice.
 
txrxs said:
A perfect example of why there is so much bulls*** in the world steming from religion.


you're too stupid to understand this but I'm a human...humans aren't perfect and they want things they shouldn't want....I want to be angry but my religion says its not worth it. You need to be able to distinguish bewteen a christian and a poerfect person....because one of the two don't exsist.
 
I find it funny that the person that started this thread is making a lot of judgements about a lot of people, one thing I have learned as a christian and one of the greatest things is that no one should judge anybody.
God Bless you all.
 
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