thinking XEDE not worth it

[Captain KRM P5]

if anyone would like to see further results of what we've done - tuned on the street and not even the dyno - with the XEDE, feel free to look here;

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123680546

 

[MS3ICA]

looking at the hp numbers you cannot find more horsepower per dollar than ecu mods like the xede or cpe standback. best bang for the buck by far!!!

 

[StephanieT]

Yes and I think that is exactly what should come with a tuning solution. But still feel that a grand is to steep.

Maybe for some it is. Any good Engine management tuning system is more expensive than $1000.00. A standalone ECU will cost upwards of $2000.00. The Xede has more capabilities of a standalone ECU than those of a typical piggyback. It is priced closer to a piggyback system.
Stephanie

 

[SuperStretch18]

$1000 is a little steep but as mentioned in the TWM short shifter thread, the cost of development is probably higher due to the limited number of MS3s out there. The cost can not be spread out as far over a greater number of cars.

Side note; the CX-7 would use the same connector as the MS3 (confirmed by CPE) on what is essentially the same ecu. That adds some significant volume. I can tell you that there are a number of CX-7 guys looking for a good PnP option...(attn)

 

[blaggah]

$1k for 50hp~ and 50~tq to the wheels.

~50hp and ~50tq to the wheels from a stock setup?
Or is that with the air box removed?


Back in February you posted this

from the two dynos, both are consistant.

40 hp and about 40-50tq.

Is the extra 10hp now from better maps?


I've been tracking this product ever since I got my speed3 in January, but I'm still a newbie to tuning, so please forgive my ignorance.

 

[funkyman]

Well the Begi web page doesn`t have a dyno alone but with the air box FMIC etc.Anyway if the price drops to 600usd i might consider it otherwise i can`t afford it and a whole lot of other MS3 owners can`t either i imagine.

 

[SPEED305]

awesome product, but
(direct)(direct)(direct) can this darn PnP be released already!
its like everyone is (sleep)(sleep) on this.
(bang)(bang)make the damn thing already
stop teasing!(poke)(poke)
if it wont be out until end of year, just say it. from what i read its been coming out soon since before they built the MS3, lol. (omg)

 

[meha11]

my money is on xmas for pnp.
think they are having issues over the rights to the connector- as in who is gona pocket the cash from the extra production.

 

[Haltech]

Some of you guys amaze me. You want horsepower, yet you want it cheap. Now there's a conspiracy over the connectors, lol and mass profits emerge!

Ok.. Lets look at it like this. For years i had to take my truck in to get tuned. First inital chip was $300... The tune + dyno was an additional $200. Several mods later, more trips. I think i had about $3900 in tunes before we had our own tuning solution which STILL required me to buy a different chip.

$1000 is fricken cheap for a system YOU can tune at any time and gives you 40-50HP. PNP is coming from both sides, just be patient. Im getting a Standback with a bypass cable until the PNP harness is avail. I can no longer wait, so ill go down this road for the time being. I want 300 to the wheels and after the fuel problem is solved, 350+ with the ATP.

Ive found the Mazda parts are on the cheap compared to all the modular parts ive purchased. Maybe its the age difference between me and others, but i stand by my statement that $1000 is a drop in the bucket and an absolute deal for a piggyback setup.

 

[funkyman]

Ill wait for the 350whp kit then?Then we can kill some 2008 M3`s.

 

[meha11]

Some of you guys amaze me. You want horsepower, yet you want it cheap. Now there's a conspiracy over the connectors, lol and mass profits emerge!.

Conspiracy is your word not mine and would imply some kind of secret.

Following quote is taken from

http://www.bellengineering.net/Pages/products_MazdaSpeed3_parts.html


"Right now, the plug 'n play harness is not available for the MS3. We anticipate delivery of the PNP patch harness in 2007. There has been some confusion between the parts manufacturer and assembler as to whose part it is to sell. Once that is straightened out, the connectors will be made and shipped."

 

[palerider]

The title of this thread is...."thinking Xede not worth it"

The only way its not worth it is because it will wreck the warranty at this point. That I can agree with. But because warranty has not been mentioned but instead performance.... I think the title of the thread is wrong.

The title should read...."thinking Mazdaspeed3 not worth it".

Why spend thousands more for a speed3 when you can have a nice peppy hatch like the regular 3, for less. CAI, intercooler, exhaust, and Xede can be had for roughly $3000.... This turns the car into an STI/ EVO fwd killer, and a sleeper killer at that. If somehow this is not valuable to someone, then i feel as if the whole point of buying a speed3 is lost. Especially if warranty is not the main issue being discussed.

If its the case..... why buy a WRX over a regular impreza, why buy an STI over a WRX. Some mods are more than others, some cars are base models, some cars are more expensive performance models. Xede gives more gain than TBE, for the same price. It gives well over double the gain as intercooler for less than double the price. It gives the ability to improve/ tune all other mods, instead of creating diminishing returns like other added parts.

I just dont get it. But hey.... the speed3 is a limited production car. Obviously performance isnt the biggest factor for everyone. I guess thats why they still make the mazda3.

Maybe buying the mazda3 is the "smart" choice for those who dont think money for faster cars is "worth" it.

 

[desperado-c]

Some of you guys amaze me. You want horsepower, yet you want it cheap. Now there's a conspiracy over the connectors, lol and mass profits emerge!

Ok.. Lets look at it like this. For years i had to take my truck in to get tuned. First inital chip was $300... The tune + dyno was an additional $200. Several mods later, more trips. I think i had about $3900 in tunes before we had our own tuning solution which STILL required me to buy a different chip.

$1000 is fricken cheap for a system YOU can tune at any time and gives you 40-50HP. PNP is coming from both sides, just be patient. Im getting a Standback with a bypass cable until the PNP harness is avail. I can no longer wait, so ill go down this road for the time being. I want 300 to the wheels and after the fuel problem is solved, 350+ with the ATP.

Ive found the Mazda parts are on the cheap compared to all the modular parts ive purchased. Maybe its the age difference between me and others, but i stand by my statement that $1000 is a drop in the bucket and an absolute deal for a piggyback setup.

Again, more much needed context for the teenagers and twenty-somethings. A big amen to that. I hope you'll share your install/tuning notes and driving impressions with us. I'll look forward to it.

 

[StephanieT]

~50hp and ~50tq to the wheels from a stock setup?
Or is that with the air box removed?

At the time, the car was completely stock. After having been on the dyno all day, the Air Box LID was removed. We did do base runs with the LID on and off. The remainder of the air box was still intact.
Stephanie

 

[meha11]

Its still too expensive for what it is.599 is an ideal price You would definately sell more and make more profits as oppsed to sell a few at 1000usd.I would not install a crummy aftermarket exhaust,however a test pipe and down pipe yes which gives 40whp and at a cheaper price.

Not sure i believe the 40 whp gain and yes i do have a TBE so my opinion is somewhat valid.
EDIT:
What the hell, this should have been post 61, it was after 8pm when i wrote it???????????????

 

[x'ed]

Xede give more gain than TBE, for the same price. It gives well over double the gain as intercooler for less than double the price. It gives the ability to improve/ tune all other mods, instead of creating diminishing returns like other added parts.


Maybe buying the mazda3 is the "smart" choice for those who dont think money for faster cars is "worth" it.

Eggfreakingzaktly, so many idiots want to drop a 1,000 dollars on their exhaust because it makes their cars sound "mad tight you" when you can get the xede which adds a dyno prover 50whp. HOW someone can complaint about getting 50whp for a 1,000 dollars SERIOUSLY blows my mind.

 

[funkyman]

Its still too expensive for what it is.599 is an ideal price You would definately sell more and make more profits as opposed to selling a few at 1000usd.I would not install a crummy aftermarket exhaust,however a test pipe and down pipe yes, which by the way gives 40whp and at a cheaper price for 400usd shipped.So i rather not tamper with the ECU programmed in Hiroshima

 

[SwampAss]

they'll sell @ $1000. I have no doubt. I'll be in line too.

 

[funkyman]

Sell what at 1000usd.?

 

[SwampAss]

Oh Hai.

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